In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Still not their best but gives a better indication than the Youtube vid
- you'll not be surprised if I say the download doesn't really do it
justice and that it's fabulous 'valves & vinyl' material...!! :-)

I'd hate to have to choose my music to suit my equipment. Or indeed the
other way round.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

Your reactions do make me regret I bothered to try and explain this to
you. As I feared would be likely, you haven't correctly read what I wrote.
So despite not really wanting to prolong this I'll try once more before
giving up...

If you then correctly understand my point, good. If not, then I'll leave it
alone. Have other more interesting things to do TBH.


I did hesitate to make the comments as I suspected you would simply
instantly reject them (as you seem to have done by labelling them
"ridiculous")


I am surprised you included yourself in the 'cringeing lurker'
descriptive

Since I didn't do what you assert, your surprise is understandable.

You need to read what I actually wrote, which was:



] On 25 Apr in uk.rec.audio, Jim Lesurf wrote:
] In article , Keith G
] wrote:


] Now kindly consider any future posts of mine directed to all the
] cringing lurkers here but, not to you - you are *excused*
] henceforth....


] FWIW Keith, I don't know if you regard me as a 'cringing lurker' or
] not...


The above line is quite clearly *not* me "including myself in the..."

It is saying I didn't know what your view on that was. Yet your new
comments make clear that you missed this point. To me the distinction is
quite clear.

[snip]

The next thing I found ridiculous was that you try to chide me

No. I wasn't chiding you. Again, you aren't carefully reading what I wrote
- this time in both my previous postings.

Finally, your allusion to my 'behaviour in threads like this' is as
though I have ever responded to you in a thread in the same manner -
which, unless I am greatly mistaken, I have *never* done? (Tell me
if/when I am wrong about this!!)

Again, problem as above. I carefully explained I didn't find what
you write offensive, etc.

Afraid your responses reinforce my feeling. You have read into what I
wrote things I actually neither wrote nor meant. This is one of the
reasons I've come to feel as I explained.


OK, my 2p on this has now run out. I'll let you get back to arguing
with others who are keen to do so... :-)


Is what I do - the bashers almost managed to clear everybody out of
here, but I like to swing in through the window and throw them around
the room from time to time to show 'em they ain't quite home and dry
yet....

:-)

Perhaps you should change your usenet name to 'Errol Flynn'. ;-


Slainte,

Jim

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Keith G wrote:
"Keith G" wrote

Yep, but my own particular favourite 'different band' atm is
Rachel's: http://www.rachelsband.com/



Just found this demo track on the website:

http://www.rachelsband.com/sounds.html


Still not their best but gives a better indication than the Youtube
vid - you'll not be surprised if I say the download doesn't really do
it justice and that it's fabulous 'valves & vinyl' material...!! :-)


Sounds good on my ss multi-driver system as well :-)

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message


No, you're missing the point - the job of a hifi system
is to try and convince you that 'you are there' (as *one*
here would once have had it) - ie create an illusion of
'reality'.

So far, so good.

On a really good system, the sound is to try
and recreate a realistic illusion of, say, a viola well
enough that you don't confuse it with the sound you would
expect to hear from a violin.

Straw man argument. An audio system has to be really bad to confuse a
knowlegable person that a violin is a viola and vice versa.

Not at all. The error of identity is made by the
listener, not by the system. As a a part of my recorded
arts training material I have a huge amount of recordingd made
to asses listener perception. Can you differentiate between
a cor Anglais and an oboe, or an alto and tenor saxophone
or an Eb and Bb clarinet, a trumpet/cornet/flugel horn,
playing in the same range, Arny?

I would put a pound to a penny that you cannot:-)


Iain

In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
We actually have a very easy way of checking for *gross* distortion -
the time pips on R4. Assuming you know what clean sine wave sounds
like, that is. Try playing those back from vinyl...


What do they sound like on low bitrate DAB 'tho;?...

Rather better than multipath FM...


IS it that bad?.

Makes me wonder if you've ever listened to R4 on DAB. The pips are pretty
clean. Sine wave at that frequency isn't a problem even at the sadly low
kbps. But it very often is on FM - especially when reception isn't
perfect.

Did you ever get that odd problem with R4 sorted?..

Oh as usual it gets sorted when someone pulls their finger out.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Can you differentiate between a cor Anglais and an oboe, or an alto and
tenor saxophone or an Eb and Bb clarinet, a trumpet/cornet/flugel horn,
playing in the same range, Arny?

Can you, Iain?

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Can you differentiate between a cor Anglais and an oboe, or an alto and
tenor saxophone or an Eb and Bb clarinet, a trumpet/cornet/flugel horn,
playing in the same range, Arny?

Can you, Iain?

If you know how they sound and the source and gear are minimally decent,
it's quite easy.

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
We actually have a very easy way of checking for *gross* distortion -
the time pips on R4. Assuming you know what clean sine wave sounds
like, that is. Try playing those back from vinyl...


What do they sound like on low bitrate DAB 'tho;?...

Rather better than multipath FM...


IS it that bad?.

Makes me wonder if you've ever listened to R4 on DAB. The pips are pretty
clean. Sine wave at that frequency isn't a problem even at the sadly low
kbps. But it very often is on FM - especially when reception isn't
perfect.

I gave up with the DAB tuner quite somewhile ago and now use satellite
or FM feeds for "serious" listening. Some of the European sat stuff is
excellent especially France Musique and Bayern Klassik from Germany just
a pity that old auntie BBC would stop the old DAB dogma and up her rates
on satellite which is an excellent distribution medium for Fixed use.

We do have a DAB receiver which is a DTV and DAB one but its hardly ever
gets used, we find the TV on Sat that bit cleaner than DTV Freeview
FWIW..


Did you ever get that odd problem with R4 sorted?..

Oh as usual it gets sorted when someone pulls their finger out.

Which they don't seeming do of their own accord as they once did..


--
Tony Sayer

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Can you differentiate between a cor Anglais and an oboe, or an alto and
tenor saxophone or an Eb and Bb clarinet, a trumpet/cornet/flugel horn,
playing in the same range, Arny?

Can you, Iain?

The prof at the Tonmeister exam was satisfied that I could:-)

In a studio music environment one gets a great deal of practice,
and the chance to sit in front of orchestral instruments listening
carefully to their sound in each register. The clarinet passing
from chalumeau to clarino is a good place to start.

If you know how they sound and the source and gear are minimally decent,
it's quite easy.

It is important to ensure that the instruments being compared are
playing in common (overlapping) registers. For musicians with
a formal musical training used to listening to musical instruments
in a careful and analytical way it is, as Jenn says, not too difficult.

But wasn't it Arny who posted a snip of a synthesised or sampled
French horn and claimed it was the real thing? Hence my odds of
a pound to a penny against his being able to differentiate in say
eight out of ten real examples, between the cor Anglais and the oboe.

Iain

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...

Your reactions do make me regret I bothered to try and explain this to
you.


In which case let's end this now - it's getting too silly.

As one of the few regular posters here, you were not and are not included in
my 'cringeing lurker' descriptive - OK?