Keith G wrote:
and when you want a drink - which is a bit like wanting Bjork's
autograph after listening to one of her recordings in your own room.

Yeah but Bjork is beautiful! I remember years ago there was a programme
about celebrity meltdowns or something and it featured the scene
wherein she went mental at some journalist who was hassling her.

I lost it and started crying! OMG!

I do like Bjork!

And on her "Post" album, the last track, I think it's called
"Headphones", well, it's VERY demanding of speakers. The bass
is just incredible. You try to turn it up so that her voice
is at the right (loud) level, and then the bass kicks in and
the amp clips to ****.

Bjork demands a Krell!


Martin - who's just come back from RockWorld and they played
Fleetwood Mac and Floyd "Money" and it was very nice. And I spoke
for the first time in months to my ex-girlfriend and it was her 52nd
Saturday. . .

I'm too emotional.

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
news:49fd60fc.788132578@localhost
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:00:04 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Dave
Plowman (News) scribeth thus
In article ,
John Phillips
wrote:
The only time I listened to a (4 W) SET amplifier it
was driving a pair of 'speakers which had a
sensitivity of just 84 dB SPL at 1 m for 1 W. To my
ears the system was distorting badly and, as it
happened, I was able to verify that it was indeed
clipping (albeit soft clipping).

But the owner would have none of this and described
the sound as highly lifelike. I backed off, of
course. Although the system sounded bad to me, if the
owner was enjoying it then who was I to say what he
should or should not enjoy.

I had a great uncle who liked to collect really old phonographs and movie
projectors. He restored a number of them to operational condition and loved
to demonstrate them. Of course the old phonographs sounded bad, wax
cylinders and all that. The movie projectors did not produce really good
images with new film or old. Nevertheless they gave us both considerable joy
for being what they were. Of course neither of us were so delusional that we
thought that they performed better than their modern equivalents.


It seems to me that human sensitivity to distortion
can be very variable. I seem to be somewhat sensitive.
Others are clearly not.

Perception can be highly focused. Musicians tend to listen to music and
audiophiles tend to listen to sound.

I think that sensitivity can be developed by training
but I have come
to the conclusion that I would never take any such
training. It could only lead to less satisfaction
with audio kit and never more.

It depends on your role in the larger scheme of things. If one engages in
audio production then its best to be a little dissatisfied with the product
no matter what. The satisfaction comes from how people respond to what you
make, not what you think of what you make.

We actually have a very easy way of checking for
*gross* distortion - the time pips on R4. Assuming you
know what clean sine wave sounds like, that is. Try
playing those back from vinyl...


What do they sound like on low bitrate DAB 'tho;?...

You can't hear them at all on DAB, unless you are
prepared to hang around for a minute or two.

Doing a little thought experiment - sine waves generally do well, even when
coded at low bitrates. Simple signal, and all that. And that is why it is
not very informative to evaluate perceptual coders with traditional audio
technical tests.

"Keith G" wrote in message


Now kindly consider any future posts of mine directed to
all the cringing lurkers here but, not to you - you are
*excused* henceforth....

Of course Keith you're way off base talking like this. And that's your
problem, you're not communicating with people, you are holding court.

"Fleetie" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:
and when you want a drink - which is a bit like wanting Bjork's autograph
after listening to one of her recordings in your own room.

Yeah but Bjork is beautiful! I remember years ago there was a programme
about celebrity meltdowns or something and it featured the scene
wherein she went mental at some journalist who was hassling her.

I lost it and started crying! OMG!


Ya big jessie...



I do like Bjork!


So do I - always have!



And on her "Post" album, the last track, I think it's called
"Headphones", well, it's VERY demanding of speakers. The bass
is just incredible. You try to turn it up so that her voice
is at the right (loud) level, and then the bass kicks in and
the amp clips to ****.


You want the 'Headphones' track on the Telegram album - unless it's just the
recordings I've got, the Post version is tame compared to the Telegram
version.



Bjork demands a Krell!


She can afford to buy one if she really wants one!

snip emotional bit

"Arny Krueger" wrote


I had a great uncle who liked to collect really old phonographs and movie
projectors.


I like that he expects to be taken at face value with remarks like that
while hurling accusations of 'false claims' around to everyone else....

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote in message


Now kindly consider any future posts of mine directed to
all the cringing lurkers here but, not to you - you are
*excused* henceforth....

Of course Keith you're way off base talking like this. And that's your
problem, you're not communicating with people, you are holding court.


Shining example of the crackpot thinking we get from this clown - first, he
*judges* me; then he *accuses* me and then he says *I'm* the one who's
holding court...?

Pot. Kettle. Parataxic distortion....

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
We actually have a very easy way of checking for *gross* distortion -
the time pips on R4. Assuming you know what clean sine wave sounds
like, that is. Try playing those back from vinyl...


What do they sound like on low bitrate DAB 'tho;?...

Rather better than multipath FM...


IS it that bad?. Did you ever get that odd problem with R4 sorted?..
--
Tony Sayer

Keith G wrote:

snip emotional bit


Why ? ....music is *all* about emotion.

Betcha you and Fleetie like Sigur Ros as well....as somebody said...music
from God...

"TonyL" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:

snip emotional bit


Why ? ....music is *all* about emotion.

Betcha you and Fleetie like Sigur Ros as well....as somebody said...music
from God...


Yep, but my own particular favourite 'different band' atm is Rachel's:

http://www.rachelsband.com/

The soundtrack to this video is a good indication but it is not their best
work - it can get a lot *darker*:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcE8YWdGtnI

-maybe ignore the vid and just listen? (Needless to say, I have just about
*all* their vinyl releases! :-)


Also 'His Name Is Alive' is OK in small doses and, again listened to rather
than watched:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7u3l...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx-A1...eature=related

"Keith G" wrote

Yep, but my own particular favourite 'different band' atm is Rachel's:

http://www.rachelsband.com/



Just found this demo track on the website:

http://www.rachelsband.com/sounds.html


Still not their best but gives a better indication than the Youtube vid -
you'll not be surprised if I say the download doesn't really do it justice
and that it's fabulous 'valves & vinyl' material...!! :-)