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Peter Larsen wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:

I was looking at the *whole* recording.

The main issue is that the bass masks everything by being 5 dB too loud. It
may so have been in the room or it may be a property of the mic setup, I
tend to assume the latter.

I didn't look at other tracks, only on what I had. So much EQ would not be a
first choice on a non-degraded recording. Also when there is too little
something, then perhaps it is better to fix what there is too much of,
cutting generally - there is no doubt some exception - causes less "issues"
than boosting.

Also, I was using monitors that probably differ from yours.

Used my M50's on the laptop.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen




Peter, that track is composed of music from the various instruments
recorded in three different *countries* - Canada, UK and Finland!!

It's an *international* recording!!

No trick, no con, not trying (ever, asitappens) to catch anybody out -
just a bit of fun that we hope to repeat!


:-)

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"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
k...
Keith Garratt wrote:

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments and/or criticisms
when I post little 'fun' recordings and vinyl transcription clips but
this time I'm curious - anybody got any comments on this one:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3

Is it *too* mellow?

Listen to this:

http://digisound.dk/demo/georgia-pl.mp3


Nice work, Peter. If time permits, I will put together
a composite - 4 bars orig, 4 bars yours, etc of the
whole piece so those interested can hear a comparison
without having to switch anything.

I think that yours is the kind of reply that Keith was
hoping for at the start of this thread (I know was:-)

Iain

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Iain Churches wrote:
"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
k...
Keith Garratt wrote:

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments and/or criticisms
when I post little 'fun' recordings and vinyl transcription clips but
this time I'm curious - anybody got any comments on this one:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3
Is it *too* mellow?
Listen to this:

http://digisound.dk/demo/georgia-pl.mp3


Nice work, Peter. If time permits, I will put together
a composite - 4 bars orig, 4 bars yours, etc of the
whole piece so those interested can hear a comparison
without having to switch anything.

I think that yours is the kind of reply that Keith was
hoping for at the start of this thread (I know was:-)


Yes it was but Arny's suggestion (which you implemented - he being too
shy) was also interesting - for instance, the 'clarinettist' liked the
effect on the sound of the clart.

Pity he's so ****ing sour (and mentally queer) it had to turn
acrimonious - but then, as they say, what new?

Is this too mellow?
 

"Keith G" wrote in message


Pity he's so ****ing sour (and mentally queer) it had to
turn acrimonious - but then, as they say, what new?

True Kitty, you've been acting sour and mentally queer around here as long
as most of us can remember. This post would be another example of the same.

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote in message


Pity he's so ****ing sour (and mentally queer) it had to
turn acrimonious - but then, as they say, what new?

True Kitty, you've been acting sour and mentally queer around here as long
as most of us can remember. This post would be another example of the
same.

Be on your best behaviour now, Arny, or we shall have to put
you back in that cell with Daddy Laurence:-))

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"Keith G" wrote in message
...
Iain Churches wrote:
"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
k...
Keith Garratt wrote:

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments and/or criticisms
when I post little 'fun' recordings and vinyl transcription clips but
this time I'm curious - anybody got any comments on this one:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3
Is it *too* mellow?
Listen to this:

http://digisound.dk/demo/georgia-pl.mp3


Nice work, Peter. If time permits, I will put together
a composite - 4 bars orig, 4 bars yours, etc of the
whole piece so those interested can hear a comparison
without having to switch anything.

I think that yours is the kind of reply that Keith was
hoping for at the start of this thread (I know was:-)


Yes it was but Arny's suggestion (which you implemented - he being too
shy) was also interesting - for instance, the 'clarinettist' liked the
effect on the sound of the clart.

As I tried to tell Arny, radicdal EQ (and it doesn't come more
radical than +15dB at 15kHz) should not be applied on overall
mixes as it can improve some elements of the mix but adversely
affect others. So, to brighten the clart only, one needs add EQ
at track level, or while it is being recorded.

Pity he's so ****ing sour (and mentally queer) it had to turn
acrimonious - but then, as they say, what new?

A rational discussion with Mr K does seem to be impossible.
That's a great shame. But despite that, the other posts and
contributions to this thread have been most interesting, and
we can expand the experiment further by breaking the recording
down track by track and see what effect signal processing
has.

I did not mention that our original is mixed, but not "mastered"
in the modern sense of the word. Peter seems to have had a
go at that. I will listen on my main system when time permits.

Iain

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
k
Arny Krueger wrote:

"Keith Garratt" wrote in
message

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments
and/or criticisms when I post little 'fun' recordings
and vinyl transcription clips but this time I'm curious
- anybody got any comments on this one:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3

Is it *too* mellow?

Yes.

Sounded better with a broad dip around 100 Hz, and a
linear 15 dB rise starting at 1 KHz and ending at 15 KHz.

Listen to the drumkit sounds Arny, they are not *that*
far off, as for getting the tonal balance where it would
have been if it was all close miked, yes, but it isn't
and you can't (only) eq your way out of a mix balance
problem.

I was looking at the *whole* recording.

Which is the right thing to do, but one must also
consider every single individual element that make
up that whole, and ensure that excess overall EQ
does not affect them adversely.



Also, I was using monitors that probably differ from yours. Back in the
days when I lived in Germany, it seemed like *every* European speaker
sounded shrill to me. I don't know what things are like today, but many of
the European speakers we get over hear seem to run hotter from the
midrange on up.

Neither Tannoy, B+W or Kef either, are considered bright.
A facility here has a pair of American JBL monitors
which I like very much.

Also, the American idea of bass seems to in general run
far richer.

And yet you proposed "a broad dip" around 100Hz.


I can't make my mind up as to whether this is from a
pair, but I think so, even if it lacks ambience. It could
be some small thingamajic on a table ... that height
above the floor would fit the 250 Hz dip being caused by
a floor reflection and the balance fits the drumkit being
to the rear of the ""stage"" and partly in acoustic
shadow.

I don't hear live acoustical drums often, so I can't use them as a
reference and have peak performance.

You don't say:-)

It's of great value to sit in front of a kit, and listen carefully,
especially to different snares, hi hats and top cymbals.


Surprisingly, not too may drummers really know how to
tune their kits for recording, and will rely on the engineer
to "tape up" the snare, pad the BD and apply copious
EQ as and where required This is not the best way to
go about it. It's well worthwhile to pay a drummer
who does know how to tune, (but may not be such a
good player/reader) a three hour session fee to set
the kit up before the recording. It can save hours
of expensive studio time spent in a drum check.

Iain

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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message


Pity he's so ****ing sour (and mentally queer) it had to
turn acrimonious - but then, as they say, what new?

True Kitty, you've been acting sour and mentally queer around here as long
as most of us can remember. This post would be another example of the same.





This what - another example of *my* 'crafty snipping'....??

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Iain Churches wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message
...
Iain Churches wrote:
"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
k...
Keith Garratt wrote:

Normally, I don't solicit (or usually get) comments and/or criticisms
when I post little 'fun' recordings and vinyl transcription clips but
this time I'm curious - anybody got any comments on this one:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3
Is it *too* mellow?
Listen to this:

http://digisound.dk/demo/georgia-pl.mp3

Nice work, Peter. If time permits, I will put together
a composite - 4 bars orig, 4 bars yours, etc of the
whole piece so those interested can hear a comparison
without having to switch anything.

I think that yours is the kind of reply that Keith was
hoping for at the start of this thread (I know was:-)

Yes it was but Arny's suggestion (which you implemented - he being too
shy) was also interesting - for instance, the 'clarinettist' liked the
effect on the sound of the clart.

As I tried to tell Arny, radicdal EQ (and it doesn't come more
radical than +15dB at 15kHz) should not be applied on overall
mixes as it can improve some elements of the mix but adversely
affect others.


Of course.


So, to brighten the clart only, one needs add EQ
at track level, or while it is being recorded.


Yes.



Pity he's so ****ing sour (and mentally queer) it had to turn
acrimonious - but then, as they say, what new?

A rational discussion with Mr K does seem to be impossible.


It does.



That's a great shame.


Maybe, but I'm all weirded out with him now....



But despite that, the other posts and
contributions to this thread have been most interesting,


They have indeed and it's pleasing to see some 'new blood'
appearing/re-appearing - metaphorically speaking, of course!



and
we can expand the experiment further by breaking the recording
down track by track and see what effect signal processing
has.



OK, but let's not *science* it to death - a
pleasant-sounding/foot-tapping track is all, in my book!




I did not mention that our original is mixed, but not "mastered"
in the modern sense of the word. Peter seems to have had a
go at that. I will listen on my main system when time permits.


See above!!

;-)

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Arny Krueger wrote:
"bcoombes" bcoombes@orangedotnet wrote in message
o.uk

Laurence Payne wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:21:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

You are the sum of your postings.

Nietzsche ?

More like nonsense. Or perhaps a somewhat sad autobiographical comment.

More likely, our internet personas in various contexts relate a
time-weighted average of the of our postings in that context.

I view newsgroup postings as being personal interactive infotainment.

Yeah, anyone with any sense views it that way Arny, if you thought otherwise I
beg to suggest you have been misinterpreting the 'mood' of most posts. See my
forthcoming book.. "Usenet Posting.. An Insufficient Vehicle for Irony."


--
Bill Coombes