loudspeaker stereo imaging
 

In article ,
Ian Molton wrote:
You cant *garauntee* front-back information with only two speakers in
any case, wether mounted on your head or 8 feet either side of you.

Yes you can, given decent speakers and a decent room.

you can play fancy timing and phase tricks but its not the same, and
depends on your room being 'right' too.

I've never denied that a poor room etc may sound worse than headphones,
but that's hardly the point. Why bother with speakers at all if the room
is so poor?

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loudspeaker stereo imaging
 

In article ,
Ian Molton wrote:
Headphones will give a better stereo image than a pair of speakers, end
of story.

You ever tried panning a mic across a soundstage while listening on cans
and then loudspeakers? I'd say you haven't.

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Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

loudspeaker stereo imaging
 

In article ,
Ian Molton wrote:
Headphones will give a better stereo image than a pair of speakers, end
of story.

You ever tried panning a mic across a soundstage while listening on cans
and then loudspeakers? I'd say you haven't.

--
*Some days we are the flies; some days we are the windscreen.*

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

loudspeaker stereo imaging
 

In article ,
Ian Molton wrote:
I'd be impressed to see a speaker that can alter the time it takes for
the sound to reach your ear.

A sound which emanates from somewhere between two speakers will arrive at
*both* ears with a timing difference. Not so with headphones - unless you
introduce some form of 'bleed' between channels which has been tried with
limited success.

you're confusing the characteristics of the equipment and those of the
environment.

the delay is a factor of the environment, and nothing to do with wether
the equipment can reproduce a stereo image correctly.

Not so. There is no delay when listening on headphones.

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Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

loudspeaker stereo imaging
 

In article ,
Ian Molton wrote:
I'd be impressed to see a speaker that can alter the time it takes for
the sound to reach your ear.

A sound which emanates from somewhere between two speakers will arrive at
*both* ears with a timing difference. Not so with headphones - unless you
introduce some form of 'bleed' between channels which has been tried with
limited success.

you're confusing the characteristics of the equipment and those of the
environment.

the delay is a factor of the environment, and nothing to do with wether
the equipment can reproduce a stereo image correctly.

Not so. There is no delay when listening on headphones.

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*It's lonely at the top, but you eat better.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

loudspeaker stereo imaging
 

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:49:59 +0000 (GMT)
Dave Plowman wrote:

you can play fancy timing and phase tricks but its not the same, and
depends on your room being 'right' too.

I've never denied that a poor room etc may sound worse than
headphones, but that's hardly the point. Why bother with speakers at
all if the room is so poor?

at the end of the day, front/rear tricks using the rooms properties are
just a trick, not the same as a 'proper' audio source behind you, so
you're comparing apples and oranges - stereo imaging and 'virtual'
front/rear imaging.


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loudspeaker stereo imaging
 

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:49:59 +0000 (GMT)
Dave Plowman wrote:

you can play fancy timing and phase tricks but its not the same, and
depends on your room being 'right' too.

I've never denied that a poor room etc may sound worse than
headphones, but that's hardly the point. Why bother with speakers at
all if the room is so poor?

at the end of the day, front/rear tricks using the rooms properties are
just a trick, not the same as a 'proper' audio source behind you, so
you're comparing apples and oranges - stereo imaging and 'virtual'
front/rear imaging.


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loudspeaker stereo imaging
 

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:47:32 +0000 (GMT)
Dave Plowman wrote:

Besides, *most* 'pop' recordings are manufactured stereo where there
are no stereo mics.

So what the heck id your point then? its not 'real' anyway, so
headphones create as realistic an effect as speakers...

I'd suggest you try and listen to decent speakers in a decent room.

I hope you're not sugegsting my Radford monitor 1's are poor speakers?

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loudspeaker stereo imaging
 

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:47:32 +0000 (GMT)
Dave Plowman wrote:

Besides, *most* 'pop' recordings are manufactured stereo where there
are no stereo mics.

So what the heck id your point then? its not 'real' anyway, so
headphones create as realistic an effect as speakers...

I'd suggest you try and listen to decent speakers in a decent room.

I hope you're not sugegsting my Radford monitor 1's are poor speakers?

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loudspeaker stereo imaging
 

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:57:13 +0000 (GMT)
Dave Plowman wrote:

I'd be impressed to see a speaker that can alter the time it takes
for the sound to reach your ear.

A sound which emanates from somewhere between two speakers will arrive
at*both* ears with a timing difference. Not so with headphones -
unless you introduce some form of 'bleed' between channels which has
been tried with limited success.

Ok, now you've just gone plain nutty.

theres no need to 'bleed' any amount of signal from one track to
another, simply PLAY the signal later on the same channel.

I never claimed you could convert a speaker-optimised recording to a
headphone-optimised one and vice-versa.

you're confusing the characteristics of the equipment and those of
the environment.

the delay is a factor of the environment, and nothing to do with
wether the equipment can reproduce a stereo image correctly.

Not so. There is no delay when listening on headphones.

of course not, the driver is next to your ear. the delay should be on
the recording.

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