On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:58:05 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:

A linear class A valve and SS amp will sound absolutely, 100% totally,
utterly, and completely the same.

Oh no they won't.....

panto Hes behind you! with a big boot! /panto

now find me a totally linear valve or SS amp ;-)

OK, ya got me there!


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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 00:09:08 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:

For myself, I would use a stopwatch to time a CD/SS sesh playing 90's
Bimbo Pop and probably a calender to time a decent stint of
40s/50s/60/s (even 70s) Jazz, Latin, selected Classical and selected
Easy Listening (with a sprinkling of Laurie Anderson, Joan Baez and
Joni Mitchell) played only on vinyl with valve amplification.....

Soooo.... you're saying the qality of the amp varies depending on what
you play on it?

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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 00:09:08 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:

For myself, I would use a stopwatch to time a CD/SS sesh playing 90's
Bimbo Pop and probably a calender to time a decent stint of
40s/50s/60/s (even 70s) Jazz, Latin, selected Classical and selected
Easy Listening (with a sprinkling of Laurie Anderson, Joan Baez and
Joni Mitchell) played only on vinyl with valve amplification.....

Soooo.... you're saying the qality of the amp varies depending on what
you play on it?

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Keith G wrote:

I suspect not as good as you would hope, guitar valve amps are
designed to be intentionally poor in HiFi terms. OPTX's that
saturate, power supplies that sag etc.

But there's no feeling in the world that comes close to standing 5
feet from an 8 x 12 Marshall stack with a low slung '59 Les Paul,
playing BIG power chords and riding the sustain...

There is, as it happens, but you would need an 80's 1,000cc Jap
Sports bike to experience it.......

Ah, but to stay on topic, are 80's 1,000cc Jap Sports bikes designed to be
intentionally poor in HiFi terms?



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Keith G wrote:

I suspect not as good as you would hope, guitar valve amps are
designed to be intentionally poor in HiFi terms. OPTX's that
saturate, power supplies that sag etc.

But there's no feeling in the world that comes close to standing 5
feet from an 8 x 12 Marshall stack with a low slung '59 Les Paul,
playing BIG power chords and riding the sustain...

There is, as it happens, but you would need an 80's 1,000cc Jap
Sports bike to experience it.......

Ah, but to stay on topic, are 80's 1,000cc Jap Sports bikes designed to be
intentionally poor in HiFi terms?



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A linear class A valve and SS amp will sound absolutely, 100% totally,
utterly, and completely the same.


Yes, but they don't smell the same and give out different quantities of light.

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A linear class A valve and SS amp will sound absolutely, 100% totally,
utterly, and completely the same.


Yes, but they don't smell the same and give out different quantities of light.

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Ian Molton wrote:

If there is no such thing in either category, then, are there
differences in their non-lienarity that might make the types
distibuishable?

quite possibly, but thats not the issue here.

If neither type has linear examples, then, unless both types are non-linear
in the same way, might they have different characteristic sounds?


A cranked amp flattens transients and turns them into tone.

If by cranked you mean overdriven ;-)

Of course. In such a test, I would try the amp at a range of volume
settings, including flat out - the guitar puts out a lot more than the amp's
sensitivity for 20W, so it would be pushed well into overdrive.


Nah, my Celestions have had far worse kickings than a 20W amp can
ever hope to dish out.

I fear for your tweeters... maybe thats why you like vinyl so?

I have nil vinyl. As for tweeters, I'm not talking about Celestion hi-fi
speakers, but the 12" guitar drivers. Like valves (did I say that?), their
charcteristic sound comes to the fore when they're driven into distortion
(did I say that as well?).


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Ian Molton wrote:

If there is no such thing in either category, then, are there
differences in their non-lienarity that might make the types
distibuishable?

quite possibly, but thats not the issue here.

If neither type has linear examples, then, unless both types are non-linear
in the same way, might they have different characteristic sounds?


A cranked amp flattens transients and turns them into tone.

If by cranked you mean overdriven ;-)

Of course. In such a test, I would try the amp at a range of volume
settings, including flat out - the guitar puts out a lot more than the amp's
sensitivity for 20W, so it would be pushed well into overdrive.


Nah, my Celestions have had far worse kickings than a 20W amp can
ever hope to dish out.

I fear for your tweeters... maybe thats why you like vinyl so?

I have nil vinyl. As for tweeters, I'm not talking about Celestion hi-fi
speakers, but the 12" guitar drivers. Like valves (did I say that?), their
charcteristic sound comes to the fore when they're driven into distortion
(did I say that as well?).


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"Stimpy" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

I suspect not as good as you would hope, guitar valve amps are
designed to be intentionally poor in HiFi terms. OPTX's that
saturate, power supplies that sag etc.

But there's no feeling in the world that comes close to standing 5
feet from an 8 x 12 Marshall stack with a low slung '59 Les Paul,
playing BIG power chords and riding the sustain...

There is, as it happens, but you would need an 80's 1,000cc Jap
Sports bike to experience it.......

Ah, but to stay on topic, are 80's 1,000cc Jap Sports bikes designed to be
intentionally poor in HiFi terms?


Yes, most definitely!

:-)