Spectacular Bookshelf Performance
 

"Ian Molton" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 23:40:54 -0000
Peter Sammon wrote:

It's easier to immigrate to the US and assimilate
into the culture

What culture? ;-)

--
Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with
ketchup.


Can't remember where I heard it said, but, it was said by an american.. 'If
you ain't american, you ain't ****'

Steve

Spectacular Bookshelf Performance
 

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 09:43:29 +0000, Chris Morriss
wrote:

In message , Peter Sammon
writes
Now we've got 22,721,252 drunken' Irish who all hate the Brits.


Good God, there's only four and a half million of them in the whole of
Ireland.

Yes, and this stems from a time when "God" definitely was not good!


Given that the peak of imigration into the US was only about 140 years
ago, what have they been doing to get to 22 Million)

Given that that amounts to about 6 generations, and the number that
started the process in the US, it is not difficult to achieve at all.
Plus the majority of migrants to the US from Ireland were Catholic,
known for large families.

Can any group of people breed that fast, or are perhaps some of the US
'Irish' only Irish in their own fantasies?

Mr Morris, is it necessary for you to adopt such a derogatory tone
when addressing this issue? In some countries this would surely
qualify as racial villification!

Please read and comprehend the following, it might help you to
understand things, and to keep your ignorant opinions to yourself
until such time as you acquaint yourself with the facts. It might also
help a reasonable person to understand why many people of Irish
extraction don't exactly hald the English is very high regard.


1. During the Irish Potato Famine, one (1) million people died in
Ireland between 1846 - 1851.

2. Two (2) million people emigrated from Ireland between 1845 - 1855.
These mostly went to America in the so-called "coffin ships" and most
of them at that time went to the US.

3. This left 5 million people, with continuous emigration being a
factor in Irish life since then.

I'm sure a reasonable person such as yourself can see that almost 2
million people could quite easily reach 22 million in approximately
160 years since the Famine emigration began.

But there's more. The Irish Diaspora - by many estimates 60 million
people - mainly in the US, Britain, Canada, Australia and South
America - all either descended from emigrants, or emigrants
themselves, just as my family and I are. A closer acquaintance with
the history of the behaviour of the British in Ireland - still going
on of course - would go some way to explain why so much emigration,
but I doubt you have that acquaintance, nor I think any inclination to
find out such things.

I infer from your posting address that you are if not British then a
resident of that country, which explains for me the ignorant an
derogatory tone of your post, above.

But on the off-chance that you might be interested, please check out
the following recent work on this issue:

Coogan, Tim Pat. "Wherever Green is Worn: the Story of the Irish
Diaspora". London, Hutchinson, 2000.

It is a very good read from an excellent writer, and you will see that
it is actually published by and English house, in London.

Patric Scully

Spectacular Bookshelf Performance
 

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:54:57 -0000, Peter Sammon
wrote:

Of course on St Patricks' day they're all Irish.

On ST. Patrick's day, we're *all* Irish.

Spectacular Bookshelf Performance
 

In message , Patric Scully
writes
I'm sure a reasonable person such as yourself can see that almost 2
million people could quite easily reach 22 million in approximately
160 years since the Famine emigration began.

You wouldn't have big ears, and be subject to myxomatosis would you?
--
Chris Morriss

Spectacular Bookshelf Performance
 

Don Pearce wrote:

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 03:07:28 -0000, Peter Sammon
wrote:


Don Pearce wrote in
m:


On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:56:05 -0000, Peter Sammon
wrote:


Look out! France and "California" are creeping up behind you!

California? Last I heard they were bankrupt. But the thought of the
French creeping up behind me gives me the creeps.

The state government of California has a budget deficit but isn't quite
bankrupt (yet). A much different story of course is the state economy
which is huge (see below), had a rough year in 2003 but still managed to
grow (slightly):

1. United States $9,963 billion
2. Japan $4,614B
3. Germany $1,867B
4. Britain $1,415B
5. France $1,281B (Look out Britain!)
6. China $1,104B
7. Italy $1,054B
8. Canada $701B
9. Brazil $606B
10. Mexico $578B

California's GDP is $1,330B which surpassed France in 2000.


I think the one we all have to look out for there is China.

True. That's only about $1K per person per year. Vastly
under-performing its potential.

The U.S. and Japan come in at well over 30K a year per capita,
average. 30 times China's current productivity would be
truly frightening, especially since almost a quarter of it
now is U.S. run factories and suppliers.

Spectacular Bookshelf Performance
 

Peter Sammon wrote:

Kurt Hamster wrote in news:MN-
:


On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:43:24 GMT, Patric Scully used
to say...


I infer from your posting address that you are if not British then a
resident of that country, which explains for me the ignorant an
derogatory tone of your post, above.

$DEITY forbid anyone being derogatory in here!

It always tickles me how the Irish in this world all praise Ireland and
it's people and the ****e given to them over the years. Strangely

though

the vast majority live many miles from Ireland have no interest in
returning to the 'homeland'.

Personally I think it's all ********.

You are as Irish as I am. It's just a tag. If you want to be Irish give
up moaning and ****ing bleating about and move back to Ireland where

you

can be a proper Mick rather than a plastic replica, and quit lecturing
us.


Sing it sister!

What I find humorous in the US is the number of "faux" Irish who aren't
Catholic; think being Scots-Irish means they are part Irish, part
Scottish; Don't know Dublin from Belfast from friggin' Cork; and wouldn't
know exactly why they should hate the Brits.

Only 90% of Ireland is Catholic, you know. :) There are even Irish Jews
and a few other small groups besides other forms of Christianity.

I'm amazed that they still ARE Catholic considering the speed at
which young people assimilate into modern society. Most religions
are bleeding out in Europe and North America.

Spectacular Bookshelf Performance
 

Peter Sammon wrote:

Ronnie McKinley wrote in
:


In uk.rec.audio Peter Sammon wrote:


What I find humorous in the US is the number of "faux" Irish who aren't
Catholic;

So one has to be Catholic to be true Irish?

LOL


Spoken like a true faux-Irishman.

*Real* Irishman are Catholic. Any other has give up what much of what it
means- historically and culturally- to be Irish. For centuries
Catholicism was at the heart of the Irish struggle against Britain much
like Catholicism was the heart of the Polish struggle against communism
during the cold war.

You CAN call yourself Irish and be Baptist, Methodist etc., but let's
face it, you're then only of Irish descent and not culturally Irish. I
speak of course of the legions of "gee I'm Irish" in the US of course. If
you're Irish in Cork and converted to Protestantism you're a friggin'
traitor. ;-)


think being Scots-Irish means they are part Irish, part
Scottish;

snip

I think you've missed something here. In Ireland Scots-Irish call
themselves NOT Irish, but Ulster Scots [Brits please correct me if I'm
off]. They are the protestants of Northern Ireland. Ulster Scots are
descendent from the Scottish Presbytarians who migrated there in the
17/18 century.

What would they call the original Catholic Scots-Irish(non Ulster)
in the same area, then? Just curious.

Spectacular Bookshelf Performance
 

In message , Le Artiste
writes
"Steve Batt" emitted :

Can't remember where I heard it said, but, it was said by an american.. 'If
you ain't american, you ain't ****'

LOL! ;-)


--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t




What chaos eh? Stewart goes off to India for a couple of weeks holiday
and all this breaks out.

Makes the old technical flaming look quite civilised(ish).

Ok, Peter, you must have won your bet by now, that you could bring this
newsgroup to its knees.
--
Chris Morriss

Spectacular Bookshelf Performance
 

Ronnie McKinley wrote:

In uk.rec.audio Kurt Hamster wrote:

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:48:57 +0000, Ronnie McKinley used
to say...

In uk.rec.audio Peter Sammon wrote:


In all seriousness though, where do you think was the "tipping point"
[to use an in vogue term] where Scottish descended, Protestant Irish
changed from anti-English to pro-British?


Act of the Union. By far the worst evil the Brits ever bestowed on
the Island of Ireland.

and btw I'm NOT anti-English. I'm anti-British government.

Is there anybody who isn't?



We at least you have the chance to boot the ****ers out, or at least
chance the profile every few years. A lot of us over here don't have
that opportunity. Geez the dirty *******s won't even field official
candidates, just a load of quangos :)


Religion gets on my tits. It has caused more bloodshed than just about
anything else.

Ian

Spectacular Bookshelf Performance
 

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:51:23 -0000, Peter Sammon
wrote:

Ronnie McKinley wrote in
:

In uk.rec.audio Le Artiste wrote:

"Ronnie McKinley" emitted :

I infer from your posting address that you are if not British then
a resident of that country, which explains for me the ignorant an
derogatory tone of your post, above.

$DEITY forbid anyone being derogatory in here!

It always tickles me how the Irish in this world all praise Ireland
and it's people and the ****e given to them over the years.
Strangely though the vast majority live many miles from Ireland
have no interest in returning to the 'homeland'.

Personally I think it's all ********.

You are as Irish as I am. It's just a tag. If you want to be Irish
give up moaning and ****ing bleating about and move back to Ireland
where you can be a proper Mick rather than a plastic replica, and
quit lecturing us.

If they have pubs that serve Guiness, they're Irish..

Of course you mean, Guinness :)

Beat you to it matey.. :)


Only by seconds :)


Btw ... this Peter Sammon fellow, is he a Yank?


Personally I don't think he's a Yank, but a Brit.

Nope. Never been to Britain save for the airport in London. Had a
girlfriend *from* England a couple of years ago. Beautiful woman, but a
psychopath. [I attribute that to gender not racial origin.] ;-)

So, what did your "wife and teenage sons" think about this?