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Don Pearce wrote:

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:04:28 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
wrote:


I'm a big fan myself of a unified Ireland. Afterall, let's not
forget that it was a colony just a couple of hundred years ago.
That 2/3 of it was freed from their opressive masters was nice,
but the job still remains unfinished. At the least, N. Ireland
should be its own seperate country by now.


A united Ireland is an absolutely A1 idea. The only big problem I can
see is logistical. How would you accommodate all those extra MPs at
Westminster?

I don't know that it would matter terribly much. :)

Given the propensity for the British government to threaten to
or actually shut down the N. Irish parlement when they feel
like, it's clear that they are in the same crappy situation that
we were 230 years ago. They should be free.

Unification is a seperate issue for later.

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Ronnie McKinley wrote:

Not according to the 1920s Government of Ireland Act :)

Yeah, I know. Grr. ******* poofs sitting there in their ivory
towers in London...

Government sucks. U.K. doubly so.

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Joseph Oberlander wrote in message nk.net...
Ronnie McKinley wrote:

Not according to the 1920s Government of Ireland Act :)

Yeah, I know. Grr. ******* poofs sitting there in their ivory
towers in London...

Government sucks. U.K. doubly so.

******* poofs? How do you come to that specific conclusion?
Personal experience?

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STFU NO ONE CARES ABOUT POLITICS,,,, THIS IS AUDIO GROUP.... GO AWAY

"Peter Sammon" wrote in message
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Kurt Hamster wrote in news:rrednRczA_S9ULvdRVn-
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 23:13:27 -0000, Peter Sammon used
to say...

Actually it's losing several wars to the French that does it to you.
Stiff upper lip and all that rot!

You're a bit of a one trick pony aren't you?

No my little Kurt, Britains' loses to France in several wars is a deep,
rich well. Worth drawing from more than once.

The shame.

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Peter Sammon wrote:

Ian Molton wrote in
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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 02:21:44 -0000
Peter Sammon wrote:

I think I'd rather be a brit than belong to the most hated country
on the planet.

Canada?

Heh. you do realise that almost the entire world (including a ton-load
of yanks) *LOVES* Canada? Its ranked No. 1 most desireable place to
live
(USA is only just above the 3rd world in those rankings)

Canada is the country the USA wanted to be but sadly failed to
become...

Ian, Ian, Ian, tsk, tsk, tsk. Canada is really the fountain of all evil.
The heartland of terrorism, homeland of Satan and true ringleader of the
Axis of Evil.

I steal the following liberally:

As Americans, we have several problems with the Canadians:

1. Canadians make their coins to appear very similar to ours so that
they can pass off their lower value coinage in our businesses.

2. Canada refuses to recognize that they are an enclave of the United
States, even though they are clearly between Alaska and the rest of
the continental states.

3. Canada refuses to provide freedom of worship to their citizens,
being ruled by a minister, instead of a President, as is proper.

4. Canada takes a unilaterally hostile and threatening posture on
their southern border by placing a disproportionate number of their
citizens there.

5. Canada routinely infiltrates sensitive US military installations,
such as NORAD headquarters in Colorado.

6. Canadians show little respect for Americans from the South.

7. Canada's Gestapo keeps its internal affairs secret by imposing a
media blackout throughout their country. This is why you hardly ever
hear any news about Canada.

8. Canada sends terrorists to the United States.

9. Canada has a national anthem that has lyrics that were obviously
written by some committee.

10. On August 1814, Canada provided logistic support to England in
burning down our White House during the War of 1812. We have never
forgotten this, and our rage towards Canada and her allies still burns
hot in our hearts to this very day.


11. Bose 901 Made in Canada ;)



I hope that this answers your questions, and helps you to understand
why we refer to Canada as the "axis of evil".

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Peter Sammon wrote:
Ronnie McKinley wrote in
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In uk.rec.audio Peter Sammon wrote:


What I find humorous in the US is the number of "faux" Irish who aren't
Catholic;

So one has to be Catholic to be true Irish?

LOL


Spoken like a true faux-Irishman.

*Real* Irishman are Catholic. Any other has give up what much of what it
means- historically and culturally- to be Irish. For centuries
Catholicism was at the heart of the Irish struggle against Britain much
like Catholicism was the heart of the Polish struggle against communism
during the cold war.

Fek off.

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On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 09:43:29 +0000, Chris Morriss
wrote:

In message , Peter Sammon
writes
Now we've got 22,721,252 drunken' Irish who all hate the Brits.


Good God, there's only four and a half million of them in the whole of
Ireland.

Yes, and this stems from a time when "God" definitely was not good!


Given that the peak of imigration into the US was only about 140 years
ago, what have they been doing to get to 22 Million)

Given that that amounts to about 6 generations, and the number that
started the process in the US, it is not difficult to achieve at all.
Plus the majority of migrants to the US from Ireland were Catholic,
known for large families.

Can any group of people breed that fast, or are perhaps some of the US
'Irish' only Irish in their own fantasies?

Mr Morris, is it necessary for you to adopt such a derogatory tone
when addressing this issue? In some countries this would surely
qualify as racial villification!

Please read and comprehend the following, it might help you to
understand things, and to keep your ignorant opinions to yourself
until such time as you acquaint yourself with the facts. It might also
help a reasonable person to understand why many people of Irish
extraction don't exactly hald the English is very high regard.


1. During the Irish Potato Famine, one (1) million people died in
Ireland between 1846 - 1851.

2. Two (2) million people emigrated from Ireland between 1845 - 1855.
These mostly went to America in the so-called "coffin ships" and most
of them at that time went to the US.

3. This left 5 million people, with continuous emigration being a
factor in Irish life since then.

I'm sure a reasonable person such as yourself can see that almost 2
million people could quite easily reach 22 million in approximately
160 years since the Famine emigration began.

But there's more. The Irish Diaspora - by many estimates 60 million
people - mainly in the US, Britain, Canada, Australia and South
America - all either descended from emigrants, or emigrants
themselves, just as my family and I are. A closer acquaintance with
the history of the behaviour of the British in Ireland - still going
on of course - would go some way to explain why so much emigration,
but I doubt you have that acquaintance, nor I think any inclination to
find out such things.

I infer from your posting address that you are if not British then a
resident of that country, which explains for me the ignorant an
derogatory tone of your post, above.

But on the off-chance that you might be interested, please check out
the following recent work on this issue:

Coogan, Tim Pat. "Wherever Green is Worn: the Story of the Irish
Diaspora". London, Hutchinson, 2000.

It is a very good read from an excellent writer, and you will see that
it is actually published by and English house, in London.

Patric Scully

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"Patric" wrote:

I'm sure a reasonable person such as yourself can see that almost 2
million people could quite easily reach 22 million in approximately
160 years since the Famine emigration began.

A demographer you're not.

The population of China in 1850 was about 450,000,000. By your analysis,
China (also until recently with extremely large families) should have a
population of almost 5 billion now.

Your statistics are dodgy by a factor of at least four.

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On Sat, 07 May 2005 14:39:52 +1000, Michael Conzo
wrote:

"Patric" wrote:

I'm sure a reasonable person such as yourself can see that almost 2
million people could quite easily reach 22 million in approximately
160 years since the Famine emigration began.

A demographer you're not.

And he's not Irish-American, either.

The population of China in 1850 was about 450,000,000. By your analysis,
China (also until recently with extremely large families) should have a
population of almost 5 billion now.

Your statistics are dodgy by a factor of at least four.

Well, de Oirish was always a bit tick, boyo..............
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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Michael, The US population in 1850 was around 22 million, it is now 280
million. This is a greater percentage then what you were proposing for
China. Look at the following graph http://www.npg.org/historypop.html

APR.

"Michael Conzo" wrote in message
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"Patric" wrote:

I'm sure a reasonable person such as yourself can see that almost 2
million people could quite easily reach 22 million in approximately
160 years since the Famine emigration began.

A demographer you're not.

The population of China in 1850 was about 450,000,000. By your analysis,
China (also until recently with extremely large families) should have a
population of almost 5 billion now.

Your statistics are dodgy by a factor of at least four.