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"Steve Batt" emitted :

Can't remember where I heard it said, but, it was said by an
american.. 'If
you ain't american, you ain't ****'

LOL! ;-)


Many a true word has been said in jest.


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Joseph Oberlander wrote in message hlink.net...
Peter Sammon wrote:

Ronnie McKinley wrote in
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In uk.rec.audio Peter Sammon wrote:


What I find humorous in the US is the number of "faux" Irish who aren't
Catholic;

So one has to be Catholic to be true Irish?

LOL


Spoken like a true faux-Irishman.

*Real* Irishman are Catholic. Any other has give up what much of what it
means- historically and culturally- to be Irish. For centuries
Catholicism was at the heart of the Irish struggle against Britain much
like Catholicism was the heart of the Polish struggle against communism
during the cold war.

You CAN call yourself Irish and be Baptist, Methodist etc., but let's
face it, you're then only of Irish descent and not culturally Irish. I
speak of course of the legions of "gee I'm Irish" in the US of course. If
you're Irish in Cork and converted to Protestantism you're a friggin'
traitor. ;-)


think being Scots-Irish means they are part Irish, part
Scottish;

snip

I think you've missed something here. In Ireland Scots-Irish call
themselves NOT Irish, but Ulster Scots [Brits please correct me if I'm
off]. They are the protestants of Northern Ireland. Ulster Scots are
descendent from the Scottish Presbytarians who migrated there in the
17/18 century.

What would they call the original Catholic Scots-Irish(non Ulster)
in the same area, then? Just curious.

Ulster Scots. Among the Scots speaking immigrants from Scotland there
were Catholics.
This idea that Scots-Irish is only a presbetarian thing is flawed.
Though no doubt there are sectarian biggots who'll abuse anything to
justify their twisted ends.

Alan

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Peter Sammon wrote:

Ronnie McKinley wrote in
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In uk.rec.audio (Alan Edgey) wrote:

Joseph Oberlander wrote in message
arthlink.net...
Peter Sammon wrote:

Ronnie McKinley wrote in
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In uk.rec.audio Peter Sammon wrote:


What I find humorous in the US is the number of "faux" Irish who
aren't Catholic;

So one has to be Catholic to be true Irish?

LOL


Spoken like a true faux-Irishman.

*Real* Irishman are Catholic. Any other has give up what much of
what it means- historically and culturally- to be Irish. For
centuries Catholicism was at the heart of the Irish struggle
against Britain much like Catholicism was the heart of the Polish
struggle against communism during the cold war.

You CAN call yourself Irish and be Baptist, Methodist etc., but
let's face it, you're then only of Irish descent and not
culturally Irish. I speak of course of the legions of "gee I'm
Irish" in the US of course. If you're Irish in Cork and converted
to Protestantism you're a friggin' traitor. ;-)


think being Scots-Irish means they are part Irish, part
Scottish;

snip

I think you've missed something here. In Ireland Scots-Irish call
themselves NOT Irish, but Ulster Scots [Brits please correct me if
I'm off]. They are the protestants of Northern Ireland. Ulster
Scots are descendent from the Scottish Presbytarians who migrated
there in the 17/18 century.

What would they call the original Catholic Scots-Irish(non Ulster)
in the same area, then? Just curious.

Ulster Scots. Among the Scots speaking immigrants from Scotland there
were Catholics.

And furthermore great numbers of these Scot immigrants were direct
descents of the original peoples of the north of Ireland (Ulster)
who had migrated to Scot-land centuries before.

This idea that Scots-Irish is only a presbetarian thing is flawed.
Though no doubt there are sectarian biggots who'll abuse anything to
justify their twisted ends.

Absolutely. Backward thinking late 19th century sectarian politics.
It has been the name of the games for the last 30 years.

Well now, next you'll be telling us Yanks that upper-class English males
really *aren't* all homosexuals.
;-))

Prince Charles has by all accounts been giving Camilla a serious seeing to
for many a year. He may be many things but he is not a poof.

Ian

Ian

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Alan Edgey wrote:

Joseph Oberlander wrote in message hlink.net...

Peter Sammon wrote:


Ronnie McKinley wrote in
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In uk.rec.audio Peter Sammon wrote:



What I find humorous in the US is the number of "faux" Irish who aren't
Catholic;

So one has to be Catholic to be true Irish?

LOL


Spoken like a true faux-Irishman.

*Real* Irishman are Catholic. Any other has give up what much of what it
means- historically and culturally- to be Irish. For centuries
Catholicism was at the heart of the Irish struggle against Britain much
like Catholicism was the heart of the Polish struggle against communism
during the cold war.

You CAN call yourself Irish and be Baptist, Methodist etc., but let's
face it, you're then only of Irish descent and not culturally Irish. I
speak of course of the legions of "gee I'm Irish" in the US of course. If
you're Irish in Cork and converted to Protestantism you're a friggin'
traitor. ;-)



think being Scots-Irish means they are part Irish, part
Scottish;

snip

I think you've missed something here. In Ireland Scots-Irish call
themselves NOT Irish, but Ulster Scots [Brits please correct me if I'm
off]. They are the protestants of Northern Ireland. Ulster Scots are
descendent from the Scottish Presbytarians who migrated there in the
17/18 century.

What would they call the original Catholic Scots-Irish(non Ulster)
in the same area, then? Just curious.


Ulster Scots. Among the Scots speaking immigrants from Scotland there
were Catholics.
This idea that Scots-Irish is only a presbetarian thing is flawed.
Though no doubt there are sectarian biggots who'll abuse anything to
justify their twisted ends.

What I meant is, how do you tell the Ulsters apart from the older
ones that preceeded them - or are they all now lumped together?

Yeha - the notion of 100% Catholic in the south and 100% presbetarian
in the North is flawed. Especially now, with the younger generations.
Shoot, a large number of them are opting out of the mess entirely or
looking into other religions. In a few decades, it's going to be
much more muddled as to which is which - and that's a good thing
as the second they stop fighting over issues that the Brits(govt)
have invented for them to keep them busy fighting amongst themselves
and start looking at the larger picture, they'll unite and kick
them out.

I'm a big fan myself of a unified Ireland. Afterall, let's not
forget that it was a colony just a couple of hundred years ago.
That 2/3 of it was freed from their opressive masters was nice,
but the job still remains unfinished. At the least, N. Ireland
should be its own seperate country by now.

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:04:28 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
wrote:

I'm a big fan myself of a unified Ireland. Afterall, let's not
forget that it was a colony just a couple of hundred years ago.
That 2/3 of it was freed from their opressive masters was nice,
but the job still remains unfinished. At the least, N. Ireland
should be its own seperate country by now.

A united Ireland is an absolutely A1 idea. The only big problem I can
see is logistical. How would you accommodate all those extra MPs at
Westminster?

d

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:19:59 +0000, Don Pearce
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:04:28 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
wrote:

I'm a big fan myself of a unified Ireland. Afterall, let's not
forget that it was a colony just a couple of hundred years ago.
That 2/3 of it was freed from their opressive masters was nice,
but the job still remains unfinished. At the least, N. Ireland
should be its own seperate country by now.

A united Ireland is an absolutely A1 idea. The only big problem I can
see is logistical. How would you accommodate all those extra MPs at
Westminster?

Maybe some hanging hammocks?

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:34:03 +0000, Ian Bell
wrote:

Peter Sammon wrote:

Ronnie McKinley wrote in
:

In uk.rec.audio (Alan Edgey) wrote:

Joseph Oberlander wrote in message
. earthlink.net...
Peter Sammon wrote:

Ronnie McKinley wrote in
:


In uk.rec.audio Peter Sammon wrote:


What I find humorous in the US is the number of "faux" Irish who
aren't Catholic;

So one has to be Catholic to be true Irish?

LOL


Spoken like a true faux-Irishman.

*Real* Irishman are Catholic. Any other has give up what much of
what it means- historically and culturally- to be Irish. For
centuries Catholicism was at the heart of the Irish struggle
against Britain much like Catholicism was the heart of the Polish
struggle against communism during the cold war.

You CAN call yourself Irish and be Baptist, Methodist etc., but
let's face it, you're then only of Irish descent and not
culturally Irish. I speak of course of the legions of "gee I'm
Irish" in the US of course. If you're Irish in Cork and converted
to Protestantism you're a friggin' traitor. ;-)


think being Scots-Irish means they are part Irish, part
Scottish;

snip

I think you've missed something here. In Ireland Scots-Irish call
themselves NOT Irish, but Ulster Scots [Brits please correct me if
I'm off]. They are the protestants of Northern Ireland. Ulster
Scots are descendent from the Scottish Presbytarians who migrated
there in the 17/18 century.

What would they call the original Catholic Scots-Irish(non Ulster)
in the same area, then? Just curious.

Ulster Scots. Among the Scots speaking immigrants from Scotland there
were Catholics.

And furthermore great numbers of these Scot immigrants were direct
descents of the original peoples of the north of Ireland (Ulster)
who had migrated to Scot-land centuries before.

This idea that Scots-Irish is only a presbetarian thing is flawed.
Though no doubt there are sectarian biggots who'll abuse anything to
justify their twisted ends.

Absolutely. Backward thinking late 19th century sectarian politics.
It has been the name of the games for the last 30 years.

Well now, next you'll be telling us Yanks that upper-class English males
really *aren't* all homosexuals.
;-))

Prince Charles has by all accounts been giving Camilla a serious seeing to
for many a year. He may be many things but he is not a poof.

You mean she isn't a cross-dresser that needs a Queer Eye For the
Straight Guy makeover?

I always thought that she shared Dame Edna's stylist.

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:55:34 +0000, Ronnie McKinley
wrote:

In uk.rec.audio Don Pearce wrote:

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:04:28 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
wrote:

I'm a big fan myself of a unified Ireland. Afterall, let's not
forget that it was a colony just a couple of hundred years ago.
That 2/3 of it was freed from their opressive masters was nice,
but the job still remains unfinished. At the least, N. Ireland
should be its own seperate country by now.

A united Ireland is an absolutely A1 idea. The only big problem I can
see is logistical. How would you accommodate all those extra MPs at
Westminster?



Is there a joke into there somewhere. Don?

Why would Irish Republic MPs (actually TDs) be sitting in Westminster?

I was just assuming that the smaller part would be absorbed into the
larger. In other words the republic would become a part of the United
Kingdom.

d

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:59:13 +0000, Ronnie McKinley
wrote:

Is there a joke in there somewhere. Don?

Why would Irish Republic MPs (actually TDs) be sitting in Westminster?

I was just assuming that the smaller part would be absorbed into the
larger. In other words the republic would become a part of the United
Kingdom.



Yea, seems logical, Don. I suppose with Ronan Keating as King?


We're hitting the sherry early tonight, Don :)



--

Highly chilled and currently watching Spinal Tap. I feel no pain.

d

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