Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

In message , Keith G
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"Tat Chan" wrote in message
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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:



Regrettably, that does indeed seem to be the case! Where's the
genuinely *new* music, instead of retro this, tribute that, and
horribly overproduced crap from talentless 'pop idles'? :-(

uhm ... Radiohead, Mercury Rev, Sigur Ros, Wilco, Belle & Sebastian
to name a few bands ... (of course, they all have their influences, but
who doesn't?)


Sigur Ros?

Hmmm, I've got a copy of a promo (of a never-released CD) here - it hadn't
struck me as anything *too* special. I'll have to give it another spin on me
new (Chinese valved) CD setup.....





Icelandic band. Their best known release has no name on the case or on
the CD, and a blank booklet inside.

It's very good though!
--
Chris Morriss

Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

"Chris Morriss" wrote in message
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In message , Keith G
writes

"Tat Chan" wrote in message
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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:



Regrettably, that does indeed seem to be the case! Where's the
genuinely *new* music, instead of retro this, tribute that, and
horribly overproduced crap from talentless 'pop idles'? :-(

uhm ... Radiohead, Mercury Rev, Sigur Ros, Wilco, Belle & Sebastian
to name a few bands ... (of course, they all have their influences, but
who doesn't?)


Sigur Ros?

Hmmm, I've got a copy of a promo (of a never-released CD) here - it hadn't
struck me as anything *too* special. I'll have to give it another spin on
me
new (Chinese valved) CD setup.....





Icelandic band. Their best known release has no name on the case or on
the CD, and a blank booklet inside.

It's very good though!


Yes, I agree - I played it after I posted the above but didn't listen too
closely. It's still in the machine for a proper listen later on...

Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:21:07 +0100, "Mike Gilmour"
wrote: Clipped...

Doug Self went to the trouble of
building two top-quality amps which only varied by the use of all
'audiophile' components in one of them. Totally indistiguishable in
listening tests, but about ten times difference in parts cost!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering


I really couldn't help pasting in part of your post from rahe as I can't
figure out why you didn't just use components from Rat Shack if in your
opinion the use of audiophile components really make no difference!

The parts for my own passive controller cost more than
$800, being a Penny&Giles studio pot and a bunch of Pickering
Ruthenium-tipped relays, with Neutrik gold-clad XLR connectors..

Probably indistiguishable in listening tests, but about ten times the parts
cost - does that not apply to you then :-)
(Please don't tell me longlevity or I'll laugh)

Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:21:07 +0100, "Mike Gilmour"
wrote: Clipped...

Doug Self went to the trouble of
building two top-quality amps which only varied by the use of all
'audiophile' components in one of them. Totally indistiguishable in
listening tests, but about ten times difference in parts cost!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering


I really couldn't help pasting in part of your post from rahe as I can't
figure out why you didn't just use components from Rat Shack if in your
opinion the use of audiophile components really make no difference!

The parts for my own passive controller cost more than
$800, being a Penny&Giles studio pot and a bunch of Pickering
Ruthenium-tipped relays, with Neutrik gold-clad XLR connectors..

Probably indistiguishable in listening tests, but about ten times the
parts cost - does that not apply to you then :-)
(Please don't tell me longlevity or I'll laugh)


;-)

Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

Keith G wrote:

"Tat Chan" wrote in message
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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:



Regrettably, that does indeed seem to be the case! Where's the
genuinely *new* music, instead of retro this, tribute that, and
horribly overproduced crap from talentless 'pop idles'? :-(

uhm ... Radiohead, Mercury Rev, Sigur Ros, Wilco, Belle & Sebastian
to name a few bands ... (of course, they all have their influences, but
who doesn't?)



Sigur Ros?

Hmmm, I've got a copy of a promo (of a never-released CD) here - it hadn't
struck me as anything *too* special. I'll have to give it another spin on me
new (Chinese valved) CD setup.....



As Chris pointed out in his reply, they are an Icelandic band. The Icelandic
Radiohead? Nice vocals (stuffed if I know what the lead singer in singing) and
melodies.

I have their 2 earlier albums, "Agaetis Bryjun" and the white album (no title,
no song names!). The latter has a great last track that just builds up into a
real "rock" cresendo.

Apprently they have a new album out, I'm just waiting for my £4 CD shop to stock it!

Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

In message , Tat Chan
writes
Keith G wrote:

"Tat Chan" wrote in message
...

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:



Regrettably, that does indeed seem to be the case! Where's the
genuinely *new* music, instead of retro this, tribute that, and
horribly overproduced crap from talentless 'pop idles'? :-(

uhm ... Radiohead, Mercury Rev, Sigur Ros, Wilco, Belle & Sebastian
to name a few bands ... (of course, they all have their influences,
but who doesn't?)
Sigur Ros?
Hmmm, I've got a copy of a promo (of a never-released CD) here - it
hadn't struck me as anything *too* special. I'll have to give it
another spin on me new (Chinese valved) CD setup.....


As Chris pointed out in his reply, they are an Icelandic band. The
Icelandic Radiohead? Nice vocals (stuffed if I know what the lead
singer in singing) and melodies.

I have their 2 earlier albums, "Agaetis Bryjun" and the white album (no
title, no song names!). The latter has a great last track that just
builds up into a real "rock" cresendo.

Apprently they have a new album out, I'm just waiting for my £4 CD shop
to stock it!

It's a totally invented language!
--
Chris Morriss

Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

Chris Morriss wrote:

In message , Tat Chan
writes


As Chris pointed out in his reply, they are an Icelandic band. The
Icelandic Radiohead? Nice vocals (stuffed if I know what the lead
singer in singing) and melodies.


It's a totally invented language!


well, he could be singing in Swahili and I wouldn't know the difference!

:)

Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:37:45 +0100, "Mike Gilmour"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:21:07 +0100, "Mike Gilmour"
wrote: Clipped...

Doug Self went to the trouble of
building two top-quality amps which only varied by the use of all
'audiophile' components in one of them. Totally indistiguishable in
listening tests, but about ten times difference in parts cost!
--
I really couldn't help pasting in part of your post from rahe as I can't
figure out why you didn't just use components from Rat Shack if in your
opinion the use of audiophile components really make no difference!

No *audible* difference, no. I had previously used a switched
attenuator using dozens of metal-film resistors, and a simpler unit
with a dozen or so Vishay S102 bulk metals, and they all sounded the
same. There is however a degree of satisfaction in building a
'reference' unit using the best possible materials. The Vishay unit
could be argued to have the best technical performance, but I didn't
need MegaHertz response. The 'infinite resolution' of the P&G was
however a driver, since I always seemed to want a volume halfway
between two switch positions!

The parts for my own passive controller cost more than
$800, being a Penny&Giles studio pot and a bunch of Pickering
Ruthenium-tipped relays, with Neutrik gold-clad XLR connectors..

Probably indistiguishable in listening tests, but about ten times the parts
cost - does that not apply to you then :-)

Sure it applies, and that unit doesn't sound different from a simple
L-pad built from RS metal films, or Vishay S102s, or indeed from the
Elma switch and Alps 'Black Beauty' pot that I use in the TV sound
system. Did you ever see me claim anything else?

(Please don't tell me longlevity or I'll laugh)

I guess a good belly laugh would have longlevity, no? :-)

In the case of the relays, longevity *is* the exact reason, since
ruthenium is the most noble of all metals. In the case of the P&G pot,
simply that it's the best and is beautifully made, with a really
smooth action. The controller casing is a cheap plastic POS, as you
can see in www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com, so the unit is built for
function, not to impress!

BTW, you'll never see me criticise anyone for buying say the Oracle CD
player just as a thing of beauty, rather than for any perceived
improvement in sound quality.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

Kurt Hamster wrote:

Oh gawd, not again. TBH I was glad you appeared to disappear on this
thread because I find it difficult to disengage this kind of crap. (dont
bother saying you disappeared on purpose to allow me to disengage or
some such crap, btw - that would be just a tad transparent...)

I'll just comment on the below...

I chose the one closest to ten years. Why wouldn't you, after all it was
you making the statement?

I said 'about' in my statement as I didnt recall how long ago exactly
and couldnt be arsed to find out. your later comment prompted me to have
a quick google.

So, to answer your question...

Why wouldnt I choose the number most in my favour?

1) Honesty
2) Im not going to say 'hmm, yeah - 8 for sure' when the oldest post I
can find is 6 years back (on, admittedly, a quick search).
3) I said I (thought I) *STOPPED* using it at that point, which is
clearly incorrect, so see 1)

In any case, the earliest message from you is 27th May 1996.

Who cares?

So either you didn't know about Usenet then or you were a net neophyte.
Judging by the message you were indded a neophyte.

Its certainly a fairly early message. However prior to 'full' usenet I
spent a good deal of time in zetnets 'local' newsgroups, which were not
propagated net-wide. I also used to communicate much more in
muds/talkers around that time. Prior to all that I used to use bbses.

So you couldn't have posted "10" years ago.

I dont see why not. not to groups google archives, perhaps (dejanews
back then) but still...

Which was approx 3 years after me...

Again, who cares? You're older than I am, and I dare say had more cash
for net stuff than I had 10 years ago.

What was it you were saying about googling?

'Ian Molton' is hardly a difficult phrase to google. If you want me to
'Ph34r y0 l337 h4xx0r s|111z' you are going to have to try a lot harder
than that.

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Ian Molton wrote:



'Ian Molton' is hardly a difficult phrase to google. If you want me to
'Ph34r y0 l337 h4xx0r s|111z' you are going to have to try a lot harder
than that.


Sorry to butt in on this section of the thread, but did you just say

'Praise your leet hacker skills'?