Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

Stimpy wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Or, put it another way, what freely available/current make and model
amps would you regard as 'bad'....???

Any single-ended valve amp....., and IME, any amp costing less than
£200 - except from Richer Sounds!


Stewart, you post a lot of articles that make good sense and over my years
of lurking I've actually learned to treat your opinions with respect, even
if I don't agree with them, but that arrant ******** has destroyed any
credibility you had with me.



which part destroyed 'any credibility'?
The single-ended valve bit, or the "less than £200" amp bit?

Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:48:18 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:51:54 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Or, put it another way, what freely available/current make and model amps
would you regard as 'bad'....???

Any single-ended valve amp....., and IME, any amp costing less than
£200 - except from Richer Sounds!

Wot a ****ing stoopid response - so *all* other amps not included in the
above meet with your personal approval, do they?

Not what I wrote at all. Clearly you have reading comprehension
problems.

Kinda tough on anyone
trying to get decent sound on a budget, innit?

Get thee hence to Richer Sounds. Sheesh, whatta maroon! Is English
your first language?

Glad my chinky cheapy makes the grade in the 'Official, Pink Amplifiers
Guide To The Galaxy'..... :-)

You still can't read, can you? Where did I say they were the *only*
bad amplifiers? Although, from your previous cmments, your chinky
takeaway *might* be a decent amp.

You duck, you dive, you stay alive - but is there any real point to either
*you* or the crap you post?

First consider the beam in thine own eye.............
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:26:10 +0100, "Stimpy"
wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Or, put it another way, what freely available/current make and model
amps would you regard as 'bad'....???

Any single-ended valve amp....., and IME, any amp costing less than
£200 - except from Richer Sounds!

Stewart, you post a lot of articles that make good sense and over my years
of lurking I've actually learned to treat your opinions with respect, even
if I don't agree with them, but that arrant ******** has destroyed any
credibility you had with me.

Thank you for your cogent and well-reasoned argument. Could you
perhaps expand it a little?
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

On 12 Oct 2004 21:10:08 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

And yes Keith, a few valve amps can indeed pass this fundamental test of
fidelity - but they're very expensive.
Think C-J Premier Eight and ARC VT-100 etc.

Don't lead Keith up the garden path here - the CJs are a Mullard circuit dating
from a few centuries before Christ, with second rate choices of valves (the
usual suspects like ECC**, EL34s, 6550s etc) and the ARC is no better, and
doesn't even have the luxury of the CJs polystyrene caps.

And what pray has this to do with them being sonically transparent?

For serious valve
sound start somewhere around Lamm ML1 and the Nagra PP 845 amp and then start
getting better. I used to have a Prem, by the way.

The thing is, you don't *want* the amp to have a 'sound'. You are
offering the Lamm and Nagra as good *low-cost* alternatives to the C-J
and ARC?
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On 12 Oct 2004 21:10:08 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

And yes Keith, a few valve amps can indeed pass this fundamental test of
fidelity - but they're very expensive.
Think C-J Premier Eight and ARC VT-100 etc.

Don't lead Keith up the garden path here - the CJs are a Mullard circuit
dating
from a few centuries before Christ, with second rate choices of valves
(the
usual suspects like ECC**, EL34s, 6550s etc) and the ARC is no better, and
doesn't even have the luxury of the CJs polystyrene caps.

And what pray has this to do with them being sonically transparent?

For serious valve
sound start somewhere around Lamm ML1 and the Nagra PP 845 amp and then
start
getting better. I used to have a Prem, by the way.

The thing is, you don't *want* the amp to have a 'sound'. You are
offering the Lamm and Nagra as good *low-cost* alternatives to the C-J
and ARC?
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering


Umm now lets see... The Lamm is £18,600 a pair, the Nagra.. you know the
score...if you have to ask you really can't afford it! And imo Andy's
right, valve circuit design and especially component selection have come
along way since the days of the Eight (1992) and the VeeTee (1996). Though
neither is obtainable at Richer Sounds I'm afraid :-)

Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:48:18 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:51:54 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Or, put it another way, what freely available/current make and model
amps
would you regard as 'bad'....???

Any single-ended valve amp....., and IME, any amp costing less than
£200 - except from Richer Sounds!

Wot a ****ing stoopid response - so *all* other amps not included in the
above meet with your personal approval, do they?

Not what I wrote at all. Clearly you have reading comprehension
problems.


Excuse me? Any amp *not* included in your 'bad amp' description is what,
then? (Use any words you think suitable - get help with the answer, if you
need to.....)



Kinda tough on anyone
trying to get decent sound on a budget, innit?

Get thee hence to Richer Sounds. Sheesh, whatta maroon! Is English
your first language?


Nice use of a stock 'Usenet Geek-Boy' oldie... :-)



Glad my chinky cheapy makes the grade in the 'Official, Pink Amplifiers
Guide To The Galaxy'..... :-)

You still can't read, can you? Where did I say they were the *only*
bad amplifiers? Although, from your previous cmments, your chinky
takeaway *might* be a decent amp.


It's perfectly OK for the money - not SOTA, but then us ordinary 'audio
enthusiasts' aren't prick enough to expect it would be, or get all bent out
of shape because it isn't....


You duck, you dive, you stay alive - but is there any real point to either
*you* or the crap you post?

First consider the beam in thine own eye.............


Nice quote, here's one for you (specifically *you*....):

"Like the legs of a lame man which hang loose, so is a parable in the mouth
of a fool."

Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On 12 Oct 2004 21:10:08 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

And yes Keith, a few valve amps can indeed pass this fundamental test of
fidelity - but they're very expensive.
Think C-J Premier Eight and ARC VT-100 etc.

Don't lead Keith up the garden path here - the CJs are a Mullard circuit
dating
from a few centuries before Christ, with second rate choices of valves
(the
usual suspects like ECC**, EL34s, 6550s etc) and the ARC is no better, and
doesn't even have the luxury of the CJs polystyrene caps.

And what pray has this to do with them being sonically transparent?

For serious valve
sound start somewhere around Lamm ML1 and the Nagra PP 845 amp and then
start
getting better. I used to have a Prem, by the way.

The thing is, you don't *want* the amp to have a 'sound'.


Sez who?

Not anyone who uses Tone controls, DSP, Slope Filters (?) etc......

Sensible people work with the 'sound' that any of their chosen audio kit
produces to produce a 'final sound' they like/prefer....

Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

Keith G wrote:

The thing is, you don't *want* the amp to have a 'sound'.



Sez who?

Not anyone who uses Tone controls, DSP, Slope Filters (?) etc......

Sensible people work with the 'sound' that any of their chosen audio kit
produces to produce a 'final sound' they like/prefer....

No. Sensible people want their equipment to do NOTHING to the sound by
default, allowing them to use tone controls *if they choose to do so*.

Of course, if you happen to like the particular distortion of some amp
applied universally to everything you listen to, thats fine, but if you
want configurability you dont START with a modified signal, you start
with the original (or as close as is possible).

Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

"Ian Molton" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:

The thing is, you don't *want* the amp to have a 'sound'.



Sez who?

Not anyone who uses Tone controls, DSP, Slope Filters (?) etc......

Sensible people work with the 'sound' that any of their chosen audio kit
produces to produce a 'final sound' they like/prefer....

No. Sensible people want their equipment to do NOTHING to the sound by
default, allowing them to use tone controls *if they choose to do so*.


Er, no, *sensible* people *know* their kit is going to distort the sound to
some degree and work with it....


Of course, if you happen to like the particular distortion of some amp
applied universally to everything you listen to, thats fine, but if you
want configurability you dont START with a modified signal, you start with
the original (or as close as is possible).


OK, raises a couple of points: First off, I don't need your permission to do
whatever I want with my kit. Try to avoid ridiculous, meaningless phrases
like 'as close as is possible' - means nothing to me (I go with what I've
got and what I *like*). If you are *desperate* for the position of Pinky's
'Mini Me' could you sort it out with Plowman - it's getting confusing seeing
you both trying for the job? Finally, why don't you do summat better than
posting crap in this newsgroup all day and night - I'm retired and am stuck
in waiting by the door for a sodding delivery. What's your excuse?

Good amps all sound the same do they?
 

Keith G wrote:

Er, no, *sensible* people *know* their kit is going to distort the sound to
some degree and work with it....

Other than speakers why would any of the rest of my kit distort the
sound audibly ?