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In article , Andy Evans
wrote:
Try to avoid ridiculous, meaningless phrases

Like "acoustically transparent"?

Well, I was enjoying listening to some Schubert (9th Symp) and VW last
night. I'm afraid I didn't notice the amp I was using, just the music. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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Kurt Hamster wrote:
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:48:04 +0100, Ian Molton used
to say...


Kurt Hamster wrote:


Perhaps it was just an AS moment then?

I cant have an AS moment. Im AS all the time.


No, you're a person all the time, you are only symptomatic some of the
time.

What do you mean 'symptomatic'? Its not a disease, its down to the
neurological structure of my brain - something I can do nothing to
change, much less 'recover from'.

Do you think you're the only one? ;)

No. I know several personally, including my SWMBO.

Given that research (can't remember where, though if I've got time I'll
try to find it) has shown that 100% of men are somewhere on the autistic
spectrum...

Cobblers.

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:20:53 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Want an extreme example? - There are some people who will listen to 78s
of,
say Caruso or Gobbi, on an acoustic gramaphone (albeit a high quality one)
and wouldn't thank you for anything else. Accurate? - A bit unlikely, but
probably *exactly* what they want to hear....!!

That's not *quite* as daft as it sounds, since the records were
produced with that replay equipment in mind. In the same vein, the
best experience of watching 'Casablanca' and 'Blonde Venus' I ever had
was in the Brattle Theatre in Cambridge MA, which has a pukka 4:3
'silver screen' and a pair of 'Voice of the Theater' speakers, just
like the director would have used to view the film.


Just the once, the smell of fresh coffee wafted your way then? ;-)


Catch my drift?

We know that you're seriously adrift, but you keep missing the
lifelines! :-)


What lifelines?

SS amps? - Got 3 of them.....

CDs? - Got hundreds of them.....

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:11:14 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

"Mike Gilmour" wrote

I'm still dazzled by the 'mental contructs' of
swapping out RS £1 coupling caps for £15 Jensen's - the vast sound
improvement must be totally in my mind..cos I paid extra...but they're
not
even pretty to look at ;-) Maybe if I try double blind it'll all
disappear...which would be a crying shame :-)
I'll leave such testing to the real experts who work closely with
designers where such results are valid and not to wannabe's who think
they
know the score...

Mike, it's simple really - if you swapped the components out and perceived
(and prefer) a 'new and better sound' then that's *all* that counts.

Even if it doesn't really exist? :-)


Comprehension problems again? See the word 'perceived'....



One of
the things the SS batallions don't like is how valvies *can* tweak a
special
sound quality out of their amps and I think they feel a teeny bit left out
of it....

No, what any sensible audiophile tries to do is *remove* all the
'sound quality' from their amplifiers. Anything else is just a tone
control that you can't switch off.................


As are the speakers and listening room.....

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:52:53 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Andy Evans" wrote in message
...
Oh Jeez, not another 'components are critical' geek! Valve amps have
not improved *at all* in about fifty years

Hello Stewart - depends on how many of your brain cells are still
working 50
years later.

Mine seem to be functioning OK after 56......... :-)


And mine seems to be functioning perfectly OK after 57......... :-)

And mine seems to be functioning perfectly OK after 57......... :-)

And mine seems to be functioning perfectly OK after 57......... :-)



Hate to say it, but I agree with him - my SET is based on a 1929
design......

Which is a shame, since P-P designs were available by then! :-)


Thank gawd I've got (what?) 5 PP valve amps then - or will have when the 2nd
Chinkycheepy turns up..... :-)


Thinking on, I'm certain valves haven't got any better, possibly not
trannies also and I couldn't say about caps.... (????)

But one thing's for sure - the music hasn't got any better in the last 50
years....!!!

Regrettably, that does indeed seem to be the case! Where's the
genuinely *new* music, instead of retro this, tribute that, and
horribly overproduced crap from talentless 'pop idles'? :-(


It's off the 'grid' which is why much of my CD listening is on CDR and
CDRW - see this snap of yesterday's 'casualties':

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keith_g/show/cdpile.jpg


As noted by a recording engineer with reference to her Lowness Queen
Victoria of the Chavettes, " with modern studio tools, you can make
Mickey Mouse sound good".........


Yep, kinda takes the shine off '100% accurate reproduction of the *live
event*' a bit, do it not?

:-)

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Kurt Hamster wrote:

Duh! Symptomatic, as in showing characteristics that typify the
condition.

Duh! the condition affects who I am - my personality, if you will. Im
"symptomatic" at all times.

BTW don't feel you need to 'lecture' me on AS.

Someone has to, you're clearly clueless...

Anyway, who said anything about recovering, I only mentioned
"symptomatic"?

added as a note for you - just pointing out that its not possible to
'recover from' A - similar to it not being possible to be 'symptomatic'
of it either.

It looks like you can't pick up on written subtleties either.

No, I just dont find this to be an especially funny subject, so your
smiley went unacknowledged.

Quite honestly, Im finding your comments fairly offensive anyhow -
you're suggesting that AS isnt a pervasive factor in my life (hint, its
a PERVASIVE developmental disorder), which is kind of akin to telling a
permanent wheelchair user they could 'just use the chair when they find
their legs are having a brief break from working'

Awwwwww, is Ian not feeling like he's such a niche product now?

niche product? with incidence possibly as high as 3 in 1000 ? dont make
me laugh.

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"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:52:53 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Andy Evans" wrote in message
...
Oh Jeez, not another 'components are critical' geek! Valve amps have
not improved *at all* in about fifty years

Hello Stewart - depends on how many of your brain cells are still
working 50
years later.

Mine seem to be functioning OK after 56......... :-)


And mine seems to be functioning perfectly OK after 57......... :-)

And mine seems to be functioning perfectly OK after 57......... :-)

And mine seems to be functioning perfectly OK after 57......... :-)



Hate to say it, but I agree with him - my SET is based on a 1929
design......

Which is a shame, since P-P designs were available by then! :-)


Thank gawd I've got (what?) 5 PP valve amps then - or will have when the
2nd Chinkycheepy turns up..... :-)


Thinking on, I'm certain valves haven't got any better, possibly not
trannies also and I couldn't say about caps.... (????)

But one thing's for sure - the music hasn't got any better in the last 50
years....!!!

Regrettably, that does indeed seem to be the case! Where's the
genuinely *new* music, instead of retro this, tribute that, and
horribly overproduced crap from talentless 'pop idles'? :-(


It's off the 'grid' which is why much of my CD listening is on CDR and
CDRW - see this snap of yesterday's 'casualties':

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keith_g/show/cdpile.jpg


As noted by a recording engineer with reference to her Lowness Queen
Victoria of the Chavettes, " with modern studio tools, you can make
Mickey Mouse sound good".........


Yep, kinda takes the shine off '100% accurate reproduction of the *live
event*' a bit, do it not?

:-)



Yea, just what's actually real? Anyone's guess nowadays. When I stood in
after getting my last CD mastered I got a demo of Autotune - even my voice
could be tweaked/ processed to sound almost okay, now cats normally run a
mile on hearing my singing.... ;-)
The bottom line is that the original means nothing at all- it's in the hands
of mastering & like any jobs there's crap mastering engineers (ex drummers?)
doing that job as well!
Mind you if the mastering eng has got a good track record (no pun intended)
like say Bob Ludwig at Gateway then the chances are it's not going to be
dross but you still don't what the original 'live event' sounded like.

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Kurt Hamster wrote:

How old are you? I'll put money on the fact that I was aware of AS
before you were born.

Given it wasnt defined as such until relatively recently, I doubt it.

the research, OTOH goes back to the 1940s.

In your arrogance you are failing to understand how someone can take the
**** out of AS, or more accurately the sort of person who can.

If you're suggesting you *have* AS, I really doubt that you do, based on
your comments in this thread.

I'm not the person who brought up the subject as a reason for you not
being able to do something.

A politician with no ability to read other people or social subtelties
would be more or less as much use as a chocolate teapot...

Grow up and stop feeling hard done by.

Huh? I never said I *wanted* to be a politician...

It does seem though that you are one of the many who think
it's a reason to not do something!

It *is* a reason Im unable to do some things. for example, whilst I
obviously *can* interact socially, it takes a lot of effort, and I burn
out more quickly than others. Fortunately, textual communication removes
a lot of the problems.

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Kurt Hamster wrote:
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:39:24 +0100, Ian Molton used
to say...


Kurt Hamster wrote:


How old are you? I'll put money on the fact that I was aware of AS
before you were born.

Given it wasnt defined as such until relatively recently, I doubt it.


Aware of the *effects*...

NOT what you wrote (as visible in the quotes)


the research, OTOH goes back to the 1940s.

A long time before you were born then?

Wasnt called AS at that time. Nor were the criteria the same. Not that
it matters much.

A politician with no ability to read other people or social subtelties
would be more or less as much use as a chocolate teapot...


As I said, it depends where on the spectrum he is... duh!

AS isnt a spectrum as much as a single colour on the PDD / autistic
spectrum. AS has specific defining characteristics, one of which is a
social impairment. google 'triad of imparements' for (some) further
enlightenment.

Huh? I never said I *wanted* to be a politician...

Bleating about about how you can't do things because you have AS...

Again, I never said it was because I have AS - I merely have NO desire
WHATSOEVER to be a politician.

You, OTOH, seem to love the job - however I doubt you are AS (just in
case you try to use that as an example of a fallacy in my reasoning)

It does seem though that you are one of the many who think
it's a reason to not do something!

It *is* a reason Im unable to do some things. for example, whilst I
obviously *can* interact socially, it takes a lot of effort, and I burn
out more quickly than others. Fortunately, textual communication removes
a lot of the problems.


No ****wit, having AS is not an excuse for not being able to try to do
things. Trying and failing is a whole lot different to whinging and not
trying.

Where did I say I didnt try? I have a very good friend who I find *very*
socially demanding, however I do my best to keep up. (which often leaves
me utterly drained the next day and unable to do much)

And as you seem to be further down the spectrum than me, yes I am AS.
Two of my partner's kids are autistic, one with AS, one at the bottom of
the spectrum.

As I said, AS isnt really a spectrum at all - AUTISM is, as is the group
known as PDDs, but AS is not.

Now stop trying to be a ****ing know-it-all about everything.

Never claimed to be.

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Kurt Hamster wrote:

And? I learnt the art of not being literal years ago.

Your posts on this group belie that...

It matters not a jot what it's called.

Oh yes it does. You said you'd probably been aware of AS since before I
was born, whoch would have meant that you were aware of something most
*experts* in the field were not aware of, since a GOOD number of years
before it was called aspergers syndrome (a term not in any kind of
commmon usage until I was about 16, and Im 26 this november 30th).

AS has it's own 'spectrum' as well as existing within the spectrum of
autism. Why do you think it is also referred to as "high functioning
autism"?

Huh? its referred to as HFA because its at the top end (by someones
reconing) of the AUTISTIC spectrum. that dopesnt make AS a spectrum in
and of itself any more than 450nm light is a spectrum, despite existing
in the spectrum of visible light.

I was diagnosed as an adult (no mean feat), which meant I didn't have
the benefit of training/therapy as a kid and learnt coping mechanisms
that actually related to the real world.

I had no training or therapy either, being diagnosed far to late in life
for that also.

Again, I never said it was because I have AS - I merely have NO desire
WHATSOEVER to be a politician.


"Ever had thoughts of becoming a politician?"

"With aspergers syndrome? I laugh at you."

Just because I dont think AS people make good politicians doesnt mean I
automatically dont aspire to be one.

I just happen to be AS, not think AS people make good politicians, AND
have no desire to be a politician.

Autistics can lie too.

if you were AS you'd be demonstrating that point admirably...

So what makes you (incorrectly) doubt I have AS then? Because I'm not
the slave to it that you obviously are?

Your attitude (admittedly this isnt diagnostic). and partly that I'd
rather pricks like you werent being lumped into the same category as me...

Where did I say I didnt try? I have a very good friend who I find *very*


Your immediate response to the suggestion of doing the job of politician
was to say I have AS. It wasn't to say "why would I want to?".

yes. I find the thought of AS people being politicians amusing. We're
not really set up for the job.

IOW you used your condition as an excuse.

Did not...

socially demanding, however I do my best to keep up. (which often leaves
me utterly drained the next day and unable to do much)

As I keep saying do you think you are the only one?

No, and I didnt say it - you said you think I dont make an effort. My
response is an example where I do make an effort.

FFS, Asperger's Syndrome is considered to be part of the autistic
spectrum. AS sufferers are not all the same, this is why it is so
difficult to diagnose, this is why there is generally considered to be a
sort of spectrum within AS too.

by who? I've certainly never heard of an aspergers spectrum, and I live
around people who organise (major) events to do with autism/AS.