DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
Tim S Kemp wrote:
You're the one whining about the quality of DAB when it provides
more than just an alternative to FM, and provides massive enjoyment
to those who enjoy radio for its content.
"Massive enjoyment"? You ought to get out more.
Tell that to the housebound OAPs whose radio is there main source of
"getting out".
No doubt. But that is not what you said originally. This is what you
said originally:
"provides massive enjoyment to those who enjoy radio for its content."
and I'd say that the percentage of the population who "enjoy radio for
its content" is far higher than the percentage of the population who
aare housebound OAPs.
And also a far higher percentage than those who think DAB sound quality is
inadequate.
Me, I have a DAB receiver purely to get local radio
reports on cold school mornings
What, don't you get decent local FM reception? Do you live
underground?
No, just a DAB tuner cost about the same as an FM tuner and gives me more
choice for background music. I think I said that but you're not listening.
Maybe that's why you think FM is better, you don't listen properly.
so I don't got and do the school run
without need,
I've told you befo don't inhale butane when posting to Usenet; you
just get your sentences all mixed up.
Oh, and I may have told you before, stand up you're mumbling.
that and it gives me good R3 / R4 for background when
working at home, and the kids like Smash Hits
Are parenting classes available in your area?
Yes thanks. It's a shame your parents learned procreation isn't it.
No-one with a kitchen radio as there main source of entertainment
(and there are plenty) uses it for the sound quality,
Are you *so* stupid to think that the complaints have ever had
anything to do with kitchen radios?
Ahhh right, so the Evoke 1 that you're whining about the SQ of is the
rare Evoke 1 Hi-Fi seperate tuner model. Now I understand, sorry I
thought it was the "portable kitchen radio" model.
It is the portable Evoke radio.
The audio quality on portable radios is extremely limited, and the
issue is about the audio quality on separates systems,
micro/midi/mini systems, car stereos and personal radios.
Audio quality on personal FM is restricted by antenna.
My FM reception cosists of a half-wave dipole (cost £15) in my bedroom
in a 1st floor flat. Have a listen to these recordings I've made of
Radios 1, 2, 3 and 4 on he
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/di...es.htm#samples
Are they restricted by antenna? If so, how?
Car FM by road
noise and reception difficulties
How puny is your car stereo such that by turning it up a bit it
doesn't drown out the road and engine noise? Or do you drive with
your window permanently open?
My car radio will make 105dbA at drivers ear level before notable
distortion. I can still hear the road noise (64dbA at 70mph on a quiet
motorway). Still at least my car is taxed/insured/fuelled/on the road....
, micro/mini/midi - don't get me
started.
Are you denying that cheap (but not the absolute cheapest -- you can
get them for as little as £40) micro systems sound a hell of a lot
better than they used to do. As I said, I bought a Sony micro system
for my nieces, and on FM it sounded excellent for the money. No hiss
whatsoever.
No hiss whatsoever ?
To quote one of your replies earlier in the thread...
"Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahaha"
Seperates, yes, I'll agree a good FM tuner with a good
outdoor antenna
Ah, there you go; it's got to be outdoors. Outdoors is best, but I get
the feeling that you live in some FM blackspot, but I'm afraid that
the vast majority of people don't live in FM blackspots.
is the best way to listen to R4, but other than that
DAB is good enough.
The fact that the vast majority of DAB receivers sold today are
portable radios is irrelevant to the bigger picture, which is that
DAB is meant to take over from FM and be the source of radio
listening on the types of devices I've just mentioned.
And of course most FM listening is.... not seperate HiFi Tuner with
outdoor antenna type stuff.
There you go again.
I don't know what percentage of households have a TV, but I reckon
it's over 95%. So it's not a problem.
I know at least three households without TV. But then, I have friends.
digital sat needs a dish
So?
Expense, size, location, availability of clear view of sat etc...
, cable / broadband need a subscription.
Again, people aren't likely to get cable or broadband just to get
radio, but because it's there then it's a feasible option for those
with these systems. Did you know there's now 6m homes with broadband
and it's rising very rapidly?
Oooh wow - again can't see my parents getting broadband any time soon...
DAB is pretty cheap from the users point of view - 50 quid for a
receiver
with amp and speaker built in....
As I've said, this is for a portable radio and the audio quality on a
portable radio is limited, and it's not an issue. It is an issue for
the other radio receiver types.
What, you mean the ones that make up the minority... oh this is flipping
pointless....
Radio 3 sounds better on FM than on DAB, so the best thing you can
get him for Christmas is the installation of an external FM aerial.
Dammit - then I'll have to get him a radio with an outdoor antenna
socket, and wire it all over the house. No. I'll get him DAB.
His loss then.
No, oddly enough I reckon he'll thank me for it.
- hopefully he'll have learned how to use the CD player I
got two years ago by then).
Many people don't have Hi-Fi or give a toss about Hi-Fi,
The vast majority of people do have a hi-fi system, even if they're
only micro systems. Have you actually heard any of the more recent
micro systems? I bought my nieces a Sony micro system for about £115
and it sounds remarkably good for the money.
Yes, I have a Panasonic one (250 quid) in my bedroom. It's great for
the convenience (and a step up from a clock radio)
A step up from a clock radio? This is one of the things I detest about
pro-low audio quality on DAB people: they have to spin at every
opportunity. Basically, the facts are all against you, so you're
forced to spin to justify your support of this low audio quality
system. Pathetic.
Yes, it's a step up from a clock radio, and a step down from my living room
setup. It doesn't have DAB, it has FM - I have nothing against FM other than
the lack of choice (4x BBC channels, 1 of which is filled with 24 hr crap, a
dull BBC Local station, two similar-sounding independant stations playing
music that would sound as good as a 64k AAC as it does on DVD-A, some crappy
talk stations, and a not quite so local independant station playing good
music but soaked in hiss due to being not /our/ local local station)
but it's only
benefit is size, not value. It plays minidiscs - you know, the ones
that sound worse than CDs.
Hahahaha. Are you *seriously* trying to use an analogy that MDs don't
sound as good as CDs so it's acceptable for DAB to sound a bit worse
than CDs? Newsflash: the audio quality achievable on an MD wipes the
floor with the audio quality on 128kbps DAB music stations. If you
disagree, get your ears syringed.
If you want DAB to sound as good as CD then you need 1500 kbps.... To sound
close you need 3-500 kbps. Bear in mind the digital distribution of FM
channels and the 15khz brickwall I think you'll find the 128kbps is
comparable in sound quality to FM. Of course you'll have to get your head
out your ass to notice.
My parents watch so little TV that they are thinking of getting rid,
not going digital.
Your parents are irrelevant. We're talking about macro behaviour, not
ultra-micro individual behaviour.
Are you Borg?
Subjective.
Subjective? What, that Radios 1 & 2, 1Xtra and 6 Music don't sound
good? You do need your ears syringing.
I don't. Oddly enough I can't listen to 1/1x/6 long enough without going
mad. 2 is fine.
It is funny though, you even came out with the classic: you feed your
DAB receiver through your DAC!!!!! Fantastic.
convenience, it's not like it's used for anything else...
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