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On 2 Mar 2006 15:50:23 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:

WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE

2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
In the latter part of 2004, at the request of leading members, I
started a major project called KISS on rec.audio.tubes (RAT). Pinkerton
arrived and announced he would deconstruct the project. Between the
beginning of October 2004 and the middle of February 2006 he sent 4607
messages to RAT, a labour conservatively estimated to have taken him
767 hours, or more than a quarter of his working hours in the same
period, the major part of his free time.

Psychotic rants ignored out of pity, but one point noted: Every one of
my posts on this subject was matched by a significantly longer one
from Jute, and he is the one who keeps creating pure attack threads,
as he did right from my very first post on KISS. Interested readers
can draw the obvious conclusions regarding psychotic fixations.

Given that I know how much time I spend at my keyboard (about an hour
a day *total*), I also doubt the 4607 figure. God knows how much time
he's going to devote to this current series of psychotic attacks.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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"Fella" wrote in message
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"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE

2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
In the latter part of 2004, at the request of leading members, I
started a major project called KISS on rec.audio.tubes (RAT).


Translation: Jute said he was going to start a project called KISS so
that he could perhaps impress some of the SET lovers with yet another
example of a ****ty sounding amp.

How would you know that an amp NOT YET BUILT would sound "****ty"?

Because it was an SET.

Hey
duh!mikey, does anyone pay you to be an asshole like this?

Consider it a freebie. What is your salary for being a complete dork?

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"Fella" wrote in message
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How would you know that an amp NOT YET BUILT would sound "****ty"? Hey
duh!mikey, does anyone pay you to be an asshole like this?


So: Either McCoy is incompetent, or McCoy both lies and is
incompetent? By your contention, you must chose one of these as you
cannot have it both ways.

But, most every one here knew that already.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA


I don't know about any mccoy or if he is lying, etc, all I know is that
one needs to be some mother of an asshole to deem an amp one has never
heard as "****ty" sounding.

Thank you for showing your ignorance of SET amps.

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" said:


But against your contention is, and to take your example of the 78s,
what if that same advocate were to state that "ONLY" 78s were fit to
represent music, and all non-believers in 78s were apostates or worse.
And then further, state that only his interpretation of the sound of
78s had any validity.


Mr. Jute never said that SET amps are the only way to go, he himself
prefers a PP EL34 in triode amplifier, if I'm correctly informed.


Were that same person to do as you say, and state "I prefer 78s to all
other media because..... " and then state "But I am writing for myself
and would not presume to dictate to anyone else." I don't think that
anyone here (well, maybe excepting Bret) would have raised a peep.


If one adds the line "In my opinion", or "just speaking for myself" ,
one is almost certain to be attacked for saying that by Arny Krueger.


Oh well, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Let the fools in this world argue and bitch each other to death, I'll
continue to listen to my music on various amps, both tube and MOSFET.
And, even better, I'll continue to build them myself.

--

- Never argue with idiots, they drag you down their level and beat you with experience. -

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"Fella" wrote in message
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So in general, I am under the impression that whoever is angry at this
POS old inflated ego stew of warts oinkerton must probably have a good
reason to be so.


True.

But against your contention is, and to take your example of the 78s,
what if that same advocate were to state that "ONLY" 78s were fit to
represent music, and all non-believers in 78s were apostates or worse.
And then further, state that only his interpretation of the sound of
78s had any validity.

Well normally no "non-beleiver" would be attending such a party where such
"blasphemy" would be uttered so who cares? I remember that in the movie
our protogonist actualy did say things to that effect, which made me
smile. (The movie was mainly about some twisted love affair between this
teenage girl and the middle aged 78 collector, nothing to do with audio
per se)..



Were that same person to do as you say, and state "I prefer 78s to all
other media because..... "


Yes and it is precisely at *that* stage the pukey pukey postman would step
in with "You don't know your facts from your asshole you cretin!" or
somesuch..



and would not presume to dictate to anyone else." I don't think that
anyone here (well, maybe excepting Bret) would have raised a peep.

Well I guess we need to agree to disagree on this Peter. AFAIK, it is
exactly after such *similar* statements as: "I prefer
pickyourchoiceofpreference to all other media because..... " that the
kruegers and pinkertons of the usenet (and their countless sockpuppets)
flock in for the kill.


Nope, only when they make claims, such as SET is the best sounding, most
accurate sounding amp in the universe.

There's also the fact that Jute is an all around asshole, who lies as easy
as most people breathe.
He's kinda like a Middisu clone only without the charisma.




And I will make suggestions to others based on
my choices and experience. But I will not dictate to them.

Sounds reasonable.

I will, btw, have my first serious tube amp session this tuesday. :) A
freind is going to bring one over to my listening room for an audition..
The only tube amp I have seriously listened up to now was this prima luna
prolouge two. I thought the bass was blown out proportion in a
humpty-dumpty sort of a way so much that I was distracted from being able
to appreciate its tube qualities, or fun.. But I am keeping an open mind
for tuesday. Just as with SS amps, I am sure that not everything sounds
the same with tube amps also.


Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

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"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE

2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
In the latter part of 2004, at the request of leading members, I
started a major project called KISS on rec.audio.tubes (RAT).

Translation: Jute said he was going to start a project called KISS so
that
he could perhaps impress some of the SET lovers with yet another example
of
a ****ty sounding amp.

Unfortunately for you, SET amps are not necessarily ****ty sounding.
Once you get past the first watt, they are essentiually distorion
generators.

At rec.audio.tubes, ppl are expected to be positively interestested in
tube
craft,
rather than have a destructive agenda.

Then Mr. Mcoy should confine his complaints to that NG instead of
crossposting to every audio group in the known universe.

Stewart Pinkerton, aka Oinkerton the Pig, is like somebody who would join
in
discussions
at rec.radio.amateur.homebrew by trying to tell all the assembled
hobbyists and
other
commercial interested folks there that they are a stupid bunch of fools
because
they
dare to build their own radio gear when of course it is easier and more
effective to use the Internet
to transfer information.

No, Stewart Pinkerton is a qualified EE who has forgotten more about audio
design, than Mr. McCoy will ever learn. He likes to debunk crap such as the
KISS amp because he knows it to be junk and because he doesn't think people
should lie about things being their own desing, whent hey cribbed them from
elsewhere.





Pinkerton
arrived and announced he would deconstruct the project.

Translation: Jute took somebody else's design from a book he read and
claimed it was his own and when Stewart saw what a piece of crap it was
said
he could build a similarly simple SS amp.

What does onw call one's own amp that one builds? One calls it one's own.

I guess that would be fair if the ****ing thing ever got built. Instead of
pretending that it was built a year ago, instead of posting a picture that
was taken only a few days ago and trying to pretend that it was taken many
months ago, to prove that the amp was built them instead of recently.

Pinkerton and many others have debunked that little tidbit and still
Jute/McCoy/Munchausen is pretending that it isn't so.

It may be almost identical to other designs, but it is the amp that Andre
built,

and Andre has a right to say it is his, so ppl know that, and know the
differences between it and anyone else's design.

Pinkerton failed to establish why Andre's amp was a piece of crap,
and failed quite miserably to build anything better, and durung the
process
rightly earned his nickname as Oinkerton, because his attidude was
the same as a person insisting he sell pork in a synogogue.

He didn't fail to do that, he's been spelling it out for months.



Between the
beginning of October 2004 and the middle of February 2006 he sent 4607
messages to RAT, a labour conservatively estimated to have taken him
767 hours, or more than a quarter of his working hours in the same
period, the major part of his free time.

Based on teh math of someone with not only way to much free time, but
someone who apparently can't type very fast.

Andre simply points out the fact that Oinkerton posted a pile of many
unwanted,
unappreciated
and idiotic posts at rec.audio.tubes.

Which is a public forum, if you don't want other people critique-ing your
stuff don't post there or killfile the people you don't want to hear from.
The fact is that McCoy likes the attention and it's basically the reason he
posts at all.

I don't know if Oinkerton posted 46, 460, 4,600 times.
But he did post a great amount of ****, none of which earned him the
slightest
amount of
respect amounf the few here with a real interest in tube craft of amoung
the
closit
solderers who build home brew solid state gear.

So far only McCoy and you (his sockpuppet) have complained about it.

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Fella wrote:

But still, preference bashing where it is unwarranted, is simply an
assholistic thing to do, if I may coin in a new word here, humbly..

I once watched a movie about this dude who was into collecting old stone
78 records. He would collect them, feverishly listen to them, and he
would glorify their sound, their "presence" in parties where such
similar people would gather and exchange ideas, experiences, tips, etc.
Now this was a hobby to these folk. And these folk *prefered* to listen
to music from that medium and they lived and acted out their hobby. I
ask you this, how assholistic of me, how (oin)pinkertonistic of me would
it be that I somehow would constantly attend those parties and make fun
of these people? I would tell them that 78rpm stone records sound
"****ty" that they have a lot of presence because LOL that's the ONLY
thing they have, that the medium is outdated, that they are idiots to
think that they are listening to music with all those audible
colorations attached, etc??? How arnykruegeristic of me would that be,
Peter? That I actually harras them, that I insult them, patronize them?
Would such a behaviour on my part arouse the kind of anger that this
Jute fella is displaying currently?

My dear Fella,

This is an excellent analysis. On RAT we're pretty blunt: we merely say
that Pinkerton is slime because he insists on porkbutchering in the
synagogue. That is why we call him Oinkerton, because he's a pig who
pushes his way in where he is not wanted.

Minor correction: I'm not angry. Stepping on the enemies of society is
what I do for a living.

Andre Jute

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"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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Fella wrote:

But still, preference bashing where it is unwarranted, is simply an
assholistic thing to do, if I may coin in a new word here, humbly..

I once watched a movie about this dude who was into collecting old stone
78 records. He would collect them, feverishly listen to them, and he
would glorify their sound, their "presence" in parties where such
similar people would gather and exchange ideas, experiences, tips, etc.
Now this was a hobby to these folk. And these folk *prefered* to listen
to music from that medium and they lived and acted out their hobby. I
ask you this, how assholistic of me, how (oin)pinkertonistic of me would
it be that I somehow would constantly attend those parties and make fun
of these people? I would tell them that 78rpm stone records sound
"****ty" that they have a lot of presence because LOL that's the ONLY
thing they have, that the medium is outdated, that they are idiots to
think that they are listening to music with all those audible
colorations attached, etc??? How arnykruegeristic of me would that be,
Peter? That I actually harras them, that I insult them, patronize them?
Would such a behaviour on my part arouse the kind of anger that this
Jute fella is displaying currently?

My dear Fella,

This is an excellent analysis. On RAT we're pretty blunt: we merely say
that Pinkerton is slime because he insists on porkbutchering in the
synagogue. That is why we call him Oinkerton, because he's a pig who
pushes his way in where he is not wanted.


What is this "we" ****? Do you meanyou and your assorted sockpuppets?

Minor correction: I'm not angry. Stepping on the enemies of society is
what I do for a living.


Then step on yourself.

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Should add that provided that your preference is not related to redbook
CD's and off the shelf mainstream japanese gear.

My opinion of off-the-shelf mainstream Pacific Rim gear is that it
is like homogenized milk. Uniform throughout and about as interesting.
Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is up to the individual
consumer.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

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On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:12:02 GMT, wrote:

How would you know that an amp NOT YET BUILT would sound "****ty"?

Because it was an SET.

Can you give us the names of the last 10 SETs that you've listened to?