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[email protected] March 6th 06 04:50 PM

WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
 
YIKES!

Any good distilled spirit should be taken neat. And a very good bourbon
is all of that. If you want to try for yourself, Evan Williams and/or
Ezra Brooks will stand up to any blended scotch, certainly, and (here)
at a far lower cost, of course.... especially against swill like the
various Jonney Walkers of the world. Knob Hill makes a very nice
single-barrel bourbon, Makers Mark has several good ones and there are
various others. Clearly you are in the Jim Beam/Wild Turkey/Jack
Daniels crap-for-export orbit, so your opinion is well justified if
that is your universe-of-choice.

Now, of course Gin and Vodka are alcohol delivery systems and fall
outside the range of 'good'... being not much more than neutral spirits
with either flavor added (gin) or not (vodka). But there are
differences in quality having to do with the distillation process as
noted below. Oh, as an aside: "flavored" vodkas are not fit for
anything more than fire-starting.

The mark of very good spirits beyond the taste is the fact that there
is no nasty 'head' the next day... if one indulges to excess. Careful
distillation removes nearly all the keytones and thereby the nasty part
of the hangover that goes with them.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA


dave weil March 6th 06 05:20 PM

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On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:43:40 -0800, Bill Riel wrote:

The pricier tequilas cost more than a decent malt whisky around here, so
up to this point in time I haven't bothered trying any of them. Maybe
one day...


If you want a nice "sippin' tequila" for a somewhat reasonable price,
you should try Patron Silver. It's not *that* much more expensive than
the average tequila and it's very smooth and pleasant.

Bill Riel March 6th 06 05:35 PM

WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
 
In article , dweil2
@bellsouth.net says...
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:43:40 -0800, Bill Riel wrote:

The pricier tequilas cost more than a decent malt whisky around here, so
up to this point in time I haven't bothered trying any of them. Maybe
one day...


If you want a nice "sippin' tequila" for a somewhat reasonable price,
you should try Patron Silver. It's not *that* much more expensive than
the average tequila and it's very smooth and pleasant.


Thanks for the recomendation - I'll take a look for that.

--
Bill

Roderick Stewart March 6th 06 06:46 PM

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In article , Dave weil wrote:
And finally, I have no problem drinking a "blended" single malt like
Famous Grouse. I find it to offer a modicum of single-malt pleasure at
about half the cost. I guess it's the 1/16th Scottish in me. Unless
I'm forced to drink them by circumstances, I avoid run-of-the-mill
blended scotches like Chivas and Dewars and J&B. And those, I'll just
drink on the rocks since there's not much there to mess up with water.

And no, I don't bother with such lightweights as Dalwhinnie. Give me
something bold like Talisker or Lagavulin or something elegant and
refined like Oban any day. I certainly won't pass up the "Rolls-Royce
of SMs", the various Macallans either. The 21 is a wonderful
scotch...just a bit overprised for my tastes. The 12 is acceptable but
it doesn't invoke the senses like the others I've named.


100% Scottish and agree with everything you say here. Doubt if any of it
could be proved with a double blind test though. Try one of each of the
tinctures listed and it might end up as a "completely blind" test. :-)

Rod.


[email protected] March 6th 06 07:39 PM

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YIKES!

Knob CREEK, HEAVEN Hill....

And last night was a dry night... But we have a new kitten in the house
so not much sleep as he wanted to play starting about 4:00am.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA


dizzy March 7th 06 12:17 AM

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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Having worked in Tucson Arizona for a couple of years, I have a
certain notoriety back home for my deadly Margaritas. People happily
knock back a large beaker of that tasty refreshing citrus drink at a
summer barbie, and then can't understand why their legs don't work
properly anymore... :-)

OTOH, sorry, tequila on its own tastes disgusting, hence the salt and
lime ritual. As ever, YMMV.


Apparently you've not tried GOOD tequila.


Stewart Pinkerton March 7th 06 06:42 AM

WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
 
On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:47:51 -0600, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:10:42 +0000 (UTC), in rec.audio.opinion you
wrote:

On 6 Mar 2006 08:30:25 -0800, " wrote:

Proves once again that one may safely leave sticky cocktails to
"engineers" like plumbers, carpenters, carpetlayers, garbage disposers,
nightsoil removers, spam postmen, suchlike.

Not to mention pretentious twits who wouldn't know a single-malt from a
blend, or good bourbon from battery-acid...


Really? You know anyone like that? If bourbon's so great, why does no
one drink it 'straight up'?


Because some actually do. Especially some of the more refined products
like Woodford Reserve or Knob Creek. It's becoming a more acceptable
after dinner cognac-type drink, just like single-malts are.

I'm not a bourbon fan though. Too sweet for my tastes. I *will*
occasionally have a good bourbon as described but it's rare. I'm a
scotch guy pretty much down the line and I turn up my nose at those
contrived whiskys like Canadian Club and Crown Royal.

Also, I'm on record as saying that I prefer a single *small* cube of
ice in my single-malt. I like it because a single malt is best enjoyed
(IMO) with just a touch of water, which cuts the initial numbing
burning alcohol hit that interferes with the ability to taste the
subtleies (sp?) of the flavor profile. Even Michael Jackson (not
Jacko) claims that you get the best experience that way, although he,
like you, talks about a tiny bit of highland branch water (he says
that it actually releases the locked-in aroma). I just find that a
little ice cube accomplishes the same thing and I'm not so anal that
I'd find that using local water detracts from the experience. The ice
quickly melts to just about the right amount of water and it slightly
cools the liquid, which I find appealing. It doesn't chill it, which I
WOULDN'T like at all and it doesn't unduly dilute the beverage.

And finally, I have no problem drinking a "blended" single malt like
Famous Grouse. I find it to offer a modicum of single-malt pleasure at
about half the cost. I guess it's the 1/16th Scottish in me. Unless
I'm forced to drink them by circumstances, I avoid run-of-the-mill
blended scotches like Chivas and Dewars and J&B. And those, I'll just
drink on the rocks since there's not much there to mess up with water.

And no, I don't bother with such lightweights as Dalwhinnie. Give me
something bold like Talisker or Lagavulin or something elegant and
refined like Oban any day. I certainly won't pass up the "Rolls-Royce
of SMs", the various Macallans either. The 21 is a wonderful
scotch...just a bit overprised for my tastes. The 12 is acceptable but
it doesn't invoke the senses like the others I've named.

Damn, I'm thirsty. Shame that I have to work tonight...


Your liking for the magnificent Lagavulin forgives many sins! :-)

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton March 7th 06 06:42 AM

WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
 
On 6 Mar 2006 09:50:44 -0800, " wrote:

YIKES!

Any good distilled spirit should be taken neat. And a very good bourbon
is all of that. If you want to try for yourself, Evan Williams and/or
Ezra Brooks will stand up to any blended scotch, certainly, and (here)
at a far lower cost, of course.... especially against swill like the
various Jonney Walkers of the world. Knob Hill makes a very nice
single-barrel bourbon, Makers Mark has several good ones and there are
various others. Clearly you are in the Jim Beam/Wild Turkey/Jack
Daniels crap-for-export orbit, so your opinion is well justified if
that is your universe-of-choice.


Fair enough, I accept there's likely good stuff that we Brits never
see.

Now, of course Gin and Vodka are alcohol delivery systems and fall
outside the range of 'good'... being not much more than neutral spirits
with either flavor added (gin) or not (vodka). But there are
differences in quality having to do with the distillation process as
noted below. Oh, as an aside: "flavored" vodkas are not fit for
anything more than fire-starting.


Agree on vodka - basically just ethanol - but there are some very good
gins around, again, not something you'll find on supermarket shelves.

The mark of very good spirits beyond the taste is the fact that there
is no nasty 'head' the next day... if one indulges to excess. Careful
distillation removes nearly all the keytones and thereby the nasty part
of the hangover that goes with them.


Vert true - although one does tend to have a Johnny Carson voice for a
while in the morning...... :-)
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

March 8th 06 12:45 AM

WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
 

"dizzy" wrote in message
...
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Having worked in Tucson Arizona for a couple of years, I have a
certain notoriety back home for my deadly Margaritas. People happily
knock back a large beaker of that tasty refreshing citrus drink at a
summer barbie, and then can't understand why their legs don't work
properly anymore... :-)

OTOH, sorry, tequila on its own tastes disgusting, hence the salt and
lime ritual. As ever, YMMV.


Apparently you've not tried GOOD tequila.

What are your 3 favorites?

I didn't think I was going to, but I found out that I actually like Cabo
Wabo.



dizzy March 8th 06 01:31 AM

WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
 
wrote:

"dizzy" wrote:

Apparently you've not tried GOOD tequila.


What are your 3 favorites?

I didn't think I was going to, but I found out that I actually like Cabo
Wabo.


Cabo Wabo is one of my favorites. I also like Chinaco, and I'm
currently working on a bottle of Patron that's not bad. I've only
recently "discovered" good tequila, so I'm still experimenting... I
prefer the reposado variety in all brands.

I enjoy getting "newbies" to try it - they react to the suggestion as
one might expect, with that "Tequila straight? Yuck!" look on their
faces... 8)



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