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WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
"dave weil" wrote in message ... On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 23:29:52 GMT, wrote: "dave weil" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:12:02 GMT, wrote: How would you know that an amp NOT YET BUILT would sound "****ty"? Because it was an SET. Can you give us the names of the last 10 SETs that you've listened to? I could, but then I'd have to kill you. Besides, one POS amp is enough, or are you telling me that there are SET amps that can play at normal levels without massive distortion? OK, how about even one SET that you have sampled? It would be nice to know the associated gear (especially speakers) and what kind of music you listened to. Quoting from any on-the-spot notes that you made would be nice, but you can use your memory if you'd like. It would be nice to hear what specifically bothered you about the sound. BTW, are you telling me that if I listened to a single SS amp, like, say a Phase Linear amp, I'd be able to condemn the whole species? Because that's what you seem to be saying, that one can extrapolate from a single example. The only SET I ever heard was one that a friend had built from a kit. This was over 12 years ago. At the time I compare it to a 40 WPC HK730, which easily sounded better to me. This guy was a very big tube and LP advocate and had no use whatsoever fo SS, and that's his perogative. It's simply not what I care about. You seem to forget that it's about accuracy for me. Knowing that a device is generating audible distortion automatically disqualifies it from being considered for anything other than a doorstop/ room heater. It's bad enough that speakers have as much distortion as they do, I don't want another device that would effectively double it. That's why I firmly believe that the real high end that people ought to be pursuing is loudspeakers. Nothing, absolutely nothing makes more improvement to an audio system than upgrading speaker performance, either by tuning the room passively or through active means, or some combination. The single biggest producer of distortion in an audio system is coming from the speakers and the only methods I'm aware of for changing that are going to come from new materials, sensors, more drivers, or auto EQ built into the speakers, ala the NHT's that were favorably reviewed in SP a while ago. There's no point for me to bother with anything else, since it can't improve the overall accuracy of the system. Show me one reasonably priced (under $1000.00) SET amp that can produce 100+ watts and not have audible distortion, and I'll consider it for a listen. |
WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 11:30:45 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton
wrote: So not only is Jute *grossly* lying about the number of posts I made, he fails to note that he himself made significantly more - also his tend to be *much* more verbose than mine You're kidding! I've never noticed that. :-) |
WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
You said to NYOB:
Before you so stupidly try to convince us Andre is merely copying out what he found in a book, please provide evidence to support your alegations. From which book did Andre copy his info from? Stupidity is only one part of it. This insolent loudmouth learnt his huckster manners in his time as a hifi salesman. Permit me to quote myself: Quote #! 1 " He repeats his favourite gambit at least once a week: The "all the rest of the researchers " (meaning "me and all the rest"? Black humour?) and "manufacturers" are crazy about ABX. He polled " all the manufacturers" in his hifi shop sales days and asked "all the rest" of the researchers ie those who didn/t show him the door if they use ABX weekly daily or every minute of their life. And he offers this fool-proof statistical miracle to everyone free of charge. He rests his case. Quote #2 NYOB has a revelation for the world of medicine: I haven't participated in any medical ABX testing either, but I don't want any new meds that weren't. Regretfully he ommitted the full details of his epoch-making discovery. Presumably it goes something like this: First researcher:"This guy has bacterial endocarditis. If he doesn't get penicillin he's sure to die" 2nd researcher: "But I got funded to find out if this new drug works. Let's give him one week of penicillin and then one week of my drug. If at the end of two weeks he's still alive we'll give him one or the other and ask him which one was it most like Penicillin or my new one" "Great. Now we're really making waves" This, and I'm weighing my words, functional illiterate promises to correct blind fate's error. If he refuses any medication that was not ABX tested he will make good a DNA mistake. Because a medication tested by ABX does not exist. Ludovic Mirabel Patrick Turner wrote: wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE In the latter part of 2004, at the request of leading members, I started a major project called KISS on rec.audio.tubes (RAT). Translation: Jute said he was going to start a project called KISS so that he could perhaps impress some of the SET lovers with yet another example of a ****ty sounding amp. Unfortunately for you, SET amps are not necessarily ****ty sounding. At rec.audio.tubes, ppl are expected to be positively interestested in tube craft, rather than have a destructive agenda. Stewart Pinkerton, aka Oinkerton the Pig, is like somebody who would join in discussions at rec.radio.amateur.homebrew by trying to tell all the assembled hobbyists and other commercial interested folks there that they are a stupid bunch of fools because they dare to build their own radio gear when of course it is easier and more effective to use the Internet to transfer information. Pinkerton arrived and announced he would deconstruct the project. Translation: Jute took somebody else's design from a book he read and claimed it was his own and when Stewart saw what a piece of crap it was said he could build a similarly simple SS amp. What does onw call one's own amp that one builds? One calls it one's own. It may be almost identical to other designs, but it is the amp that Andre built, and Andre has a right to say it is his, so ppl know that, and know the differences between it and anyone else's design. Pinkerton failed to establish why Andre's amp was a piece of crap, and failed quite miserably to build anything better, and durung the process rightly earned his nickname as Oinkerton, because his attidude was the same as a person insisting he sell pork in a synogogue. Between the beginning of October 2004 and the middle of February 2006 he sent 4607 messages to RAT, a labour conservatively estimated to have taken him 767 hours, or more than a quarter of his working hours in the same period, the major part of his free time. Based on teh math of someone with not only way to much free time, but someone who apparently can't type very fast. Andre simply points out the fact that Oinkerton posted a pile of many unwanted, unappreciated and idiotic posts at rec.audio.tubes. I don't know if Oinkerton posted 46, 460, 4,600 times. But he did post a great amount of ****, none of which earned him the slightest amount of respect amounf the few here with a real interest in tube craft of amoung the closit solderers who build home brew solid state gear. He told us that the purpose was to expose my ignorance and prevent others following in my footsteps. Tranlation: Stewart was going to expose Jute's ignorance and try to prevent others from following in Jute's footsteps. But Oinkerton's ignorance is far worse, and anyone following in his footsteps will get bogged and smelly so much faster than if you followed in Andre's steps. His 4607 posts were all abusive. Unlike Jute's posts which are complete crap. Oinkerton is anti tubecraft, Andre is pro-tubecraft. Thius is a tube craft group; rec.audio.tubes is its title. if you cannot or will not contribute positively to tube craft then **** off. Only one, considered below, was electronically specific enough for me to consider comparing it to what I had published. IOW, it was the only one simpleenough for you to understand. As the result of Pinkerton's 4607 posts, not a single line of the booklength KISS materials was altered, not a single fact was altered, not a single schematic was altered in the slightest. IOW, Jute didn't change a thing bcause he didn't have another book to copy from. Jute's circuit works. There was no reason for him to change anything. Before you so stupidly try to convince us Andre is merely copying out what he found in a book, please provide evidence to support your alegations. From which book did Andre copy his info from? As the result of Pinkerton's 4607 posts, no party interested in the KISS project in the beginning dropped out, and no one who became interested during its course was deterred in the slightest. IOW, nobody built the KISS amp, not even Jute. Pinkerton's 4607 vicious posts gave him great satisfaction, according to him, but had no other result whatsoever (except to make Pinkerton's name a byword for barbaric insensitivity and foul manners). IOW, Jute was shown for the incompetent boob that everybody already knew he was. Not correct. Oinkerton admitted before ceasing to post at rec.audio tubes for some months that he hadn't built the supposedly simple SS amp he had designed. He had no intention to build a working sample, test it honestly, post the results, and do so all without posting personally inflamatatory comments about the 300B amp. To anyone reading r.a.t who has an IQ above 50, Oinkerton seems to come across as a complete jerk. Andre may be wordy, and long winded, but he's fundementally here for the tubes. He has a flair for demolishing ppl like Oinkerton, something Oinkerton begs for. Unfortunately, the argy bargy between the two doesn't look good to the fragiles who come here to talk tubes, they go away, seeking safer refuges where their opinions won't be attacked by jerks like Oinkerton. Oinkerton's presence s has degraded what might otherwise be a good discussion group. Despite this time of year being cool in the northern hemisphre with ppl mainly locked indoors with their hobbies at least at night, hardly anyone is building gear and discussing the experiences here like they used to. One reaon is that Oinketon and his sympathisers are too everpresent. Oinkerton would be immediately banned, filtered out, kill filed in any moderated group. In all Pinkerton's 4607 posts counted here, he did not once analyze the circuit of the amp he objected to while it stood for more than a year on public view. Something you couldn't possibly know. By contrast to Pinkerton's vicious and loud slackness, Patrick Turner analyzed the circuit and made suggestions which were incorporated, and John Byrns made another important suggestion which we shall shortly discuss and then incorporate because I have already tested it. After how long? A year? Two? And what exactly is your analysis? Just what informative and useful point are you trying to make? From Pinkerton all this while, zero. In short, Pinkerton's claim of my ignorance is a sham, an excuse for him to indulge his malicious urge to bring pain to everyone else, 4607 times in 15 months on a single newsgroup. IOW Stewart designed and built his KISS Ass amp and then waited for Jute to build his. Finally he posted a picture of the amp which was shown to have been taken just a few days ago and not at the time Jute claims he built it. By the way McCoy I just won $5000.00 betting that you would launch yet another tirade against Stewart. But you made yourself look like a complete loser. Feel welcome to collect the 5 grand. Exactly what contributions to tube craft are you going to make? Patrick Turner. |
WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:49:02 GMT, wrote:
"dave weil" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 23:29:52 GMT, wrote: "dave weil" wrote in message ... On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:12:02 GMT, wrote: How would you know that an amp NOT YET BUILT would sound "****ty"? Because it was an SET. Can you give us the names of the last 10 SETs that you've listened to? I could, but then I'd have to kill you. Besides, one POS amp is enough, or are you telling me that there are SET amps that can play at normal levels without massive distortion? OK, how about even one SET that you have sampled? It would be nice to know the associated gear (especially speakers) and what kind of music you listened to. Quoting from any on-the-spot notes that you made would be nice, but you can use your memory if you'd like. It would be nice to hear what specifically bothered you about the sound. BTW, are you telling me that if I listened to a single SS amp, like, say a Phase Linear amp, I'd be able to condemn the whole species? Because that's what you seem to be saying, that one can extrapolate from a single example. The only SET I ever heard was one that a friend had built from a kit. This was over 12 years ago. At the time I compare it to a 40 WPC HK730, which easily sounded better to me. I guess, since you haven't bothered to listen to any commercial SETs, that we can pretty much disregard your comments about how SETs sound. This guy was a very big tube and LP advocate and had no use whatsoever fo SS, and that's his perogative. It's simply not what I care about. And that doesn't really even say anything about the quality of his build, the kind of kit it was, the type of tubes that were used, etc. In fact, you can't even say what kind of speakers were being used. You seem to forget that it's about accuracy for me. Knowing that a device is generating audible distortion automatically disqualifies it from being considered for anything other than a doorstop/ room heater. Ahhh, it's the "knowing". Sort of a placebo effect, eh? It's bad enough that speakers have as much distortion as they do, I don't want another device that would effectively double it. That's why I firmly believe that the real high end that people ought to be pursuing is loudspeakers. Nothing, absolutely nothing makes more improvement to an audio system than upgrading speaker performance, either by tuning the room passively or through active means, or some combination. The single biggest producer of distortion in an audio system is coming from the speakers and the only methods I'm aware of for changing that are going to come from new materials, sensors, more drivers, or auto EQ built into the speakers, ala the NHT's that were favorably reviewed in SP a while ago. There's no point for me to bother with anything else, since it can't improve the overall accuracy of the system. Then you shouldn't comment on how good or bad they are, since you're not willing to even bother evaluating them (SETs) in person. Show me one reasonably priced (under $1000.00) SET amp that can produce 100+ watts and not have audible distortion, and I'll consider it for a listen. Why would you need 100+ watts? What is it about those words that defines hi-fi for you? |
WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 14:06:45 -0500, George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote: Stewèd Pukerton said: participation in [the Special Olympics] does not imply brain damage - were you hoping to qualify just on that account? For anybody who's unfamiliar with Stewie's routines, this is a coded message that means he's just cracked open a bottle of whiskeeey. I never touch any spirit with an 'e' in it............. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE: 2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
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ink.net "dave weil" wrote in message ... On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:12:02 GMT, wrote: How would you know that an amp NOT YET BUILT would sound "****ty"? Because it was an SET. Can you give us the names of the last 10 SETs that you've listened to? I could, but then I'd have to kill you. Besides, one POS amp is enough, or are you telling me that there are SET amps that can play at normal levels without massive distortion? I probably listened to at least 10 SETs at HE2005. The SET rooms at HE2005 were pretty much the same - there was an altar-like area between the speakers that was occupied by a glowing SET. The glow of the tubes was especially apparent. The glowing was almost as apparent as the gritty sound. I still remember walking into one room, glancing about and noticing the glowing apparition on the floor. However I didn't hear the gritty sound of a SET. I looked again and noticed that the tubes were in pairs. I had found the Manley room and the tubed power amps were p-p, and probably even with loop feedback. |
WHY A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE IS UNRELIABLE: 1. THE STATISTICS OF BULLSHIT
"Arny Krueger" wrote snip crossposted ******** I probably listened to at least 10 SETs at HE2005. The SET rooms at HE2005 were pretty much the same - there was an altar-like area between the speakers that was occupied by a glowing SET. The glow of the tubes was especially apparent. The glowing was almost as apparent as the gritty sound. I still remember walking into one room, glancing about and noticing the glowing apparition on the floor. However I didn't hear the gritty sound of a SET. I looked again and noticed that the tubes were in pairs. I had found the Manley room and the tubed power amps were p-p, and probably even with loop feedback. Tell me Arny - why do I not believe a single word of that....??? |
WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:17:24 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton
wrote: On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 14:06:45 -0500, George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote: Stewèd Pukerton said: participation in [the Special Olympics] does not imply brain damage - were you hoping to qualify just on that account? For anybody who's unfamiliar with Stewie's routines, this is a coded message that means he's just cracked open a bottle of whiskeeey. I never touch any spirit with an 'e' in it............. That's a shame because a great tequila is a pleasure to drink. This is probably an old-world bias on your part. You're missing out on a great pleasure. |
WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
"dave weil" wrote in message ... On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:17:24 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton wrote: On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 14:06:45 -0500, George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote: Stewèd Pukerton said: participation in [the Special Olympics] does not imply brain damage - were you hoping to qualify just on that account? For anybody who's unfamiliar with Stewie's routines, this is a coded message that means he's just cracked open a bottle of whiskeeey. I never touch any spirit with an 'e' in it............. That's a shame because a great tequila is a pleasure to drink. This is probably an old-world bias on your part. You're missing out on a great pleasure. Don't tell him that ... some are predicting another agave shortage. http://www.prophetsplace.com/agave.html ScottW |
WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR
On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:01:46 -0600, dave weil
wrote: On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:17:24 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton wrote: On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 14:06:45 -0500, George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote: Stewèd Pukerton said: participation in [the Special Olympics] does not imply brain damage - were you hoping to qualify just on that account? For anybody who's unfamiliar with Stewie's routines, this is a coded message that means he's just cracked open a bottle of whiskeeey. I never touch any spirit with an 'e' in it............. That's a shame because a great tequila is a pleasure to drink. This is probably an old-world bias on your part. You're missing out on a great pleasure. Rats! I forgot tequila. :-( Having worked in Tucson Arizona for a couple of years, I have a certain notoriety back home for my deadly Margaritas. People happily knock back a large beaker of that tasty refreshing citrus drink at a summer barbie, and then can't understand why their legs don't work properly anymore... :-) OTOH, sorry, tequila on its own tastes disgusting, hence the salt and lime ritual. As ever, YMMV. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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