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"tony sayer" wrote in message
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In article , Keith G
writes

"Eeyore" wrote


Listening will only tell you what *you* think of it, i.e. subjective
evaluation.
That is no reliable measure of 'goodness' whatever as easily can be
seen
from
those who think SET tube amps are great despite shocking failings wrt
precision and linearity.

'Shocking failings'....???

By any established technical standard for sure.


(I love it when you Denial Boys start to talk dirty.....!! :-)

You haven't heard the half of it.


OK...

First question - have you ever heard a SET and if so, on what speakers?
Second question - how is an amp failing when it a) switches on and off OK,
b) amplifies perfectly well all day long, b) sounds better than the other
amps one may have to hand?

Next - what price 'precision and linearity' to someone who is interested
in
*using* the kit and not designing it? When it comes to audio, provided no
harm comes to kids, the elderly and little fluffy animals, I believe 'the
end justifies the means' and I am not too strung out about some of the
'facts and figures' when it comes to *measurements* and the like.

A task for you - play this fairly explosive track:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...0In%20Love.mp3

Which deck did you record that off Keith?....


Lucky Goldstar GSA-4167B


that's OK Tony, I'll snip the rest of the **** off.....

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"TT" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"TT" wrote



The biggest gain I have noticed is "magically" that
fatiguing CD sound has gone and it has that more natural
SACD/analog sound.


*Ding Dong*........

;-)

Despite years of the Great Arny Krueger trying to convince me "that *all*
CD players the same and *ALL* DACs sound the same and that an external DAC
is a complete "waste" of time I believe I have found something that works
exceptionally well.



Arny's usually got a lot to say about many/most here, but at the end of the
day he's the one who just don't *ever* learn*....!! ;-)

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"Andy Evans" wrote in message
ups.com...
SETs are pretty thin on the ground in the UK and I have a leetle tiny
suspicion that many people with strong opinions about them have simply
never
heard one

A leetle tiny suspicion??? Does this come from a Zorro film?



No - Blazing Saddles....


I'd love
to see the sign of the Z on all the Audiolab gear about town, and a
caped intruder floating away into the darkness........



Ooh, er, I say - steady on, old chap!! :-)

Watching Gohatto atm (split over 2 evenings) it's kinda killing the
*Samurai* thing for me! What next? - 'The Ginger Ninja'...??? :-))

Oops, there's me being *shallow* again......

:-P

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Keith G wrote:

What do you people play recorded music for - to be entertained and
pleased or sit there with a notepad and write down what defects you
*think* you can hear....??

Right on, Keith.


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In article .com,
Andy
Evans wrote:
So? The purpose of the DAC is to listen to it.

Addenda, "The purpose of having the DAC is to listen to it"

Up to the listener, of course, if they actually want specific examples
of waveforms to be accurately reconstructed, or if they want them
altered in specific waysJLS

This is one of many ways of saying "true believers use accurate
reproduction systems, while heretics worship at their own pagan shrines"
- I think the implications are clear enough.

My "straw man argument" detector just triggered. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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Laurence Payne wrote:

On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 21:53:34 +0100, Eeyore
wrote:

We're discussing your response to:
There is precious litle 'modern' about any valve circuit. I learnt on
them btw.

There's more than a valve in a "valve circuit". Now there may be
solid-state components too.

Which makes them hybrid, not exclusively valve.

So who said "exclusively"? We're discussing modern applications of
valves. They're GOING to be hybrid. (They're probably also going to
be snake-oil, but that's another matter.)

That seems to be a curious definition. By the same token you could call a
hybrid, a semiconductor circuit in that case !

Graham

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Andy Evans wrote:

It's my experience that "hybrid" amplifiers have both tube and ss
amplification stages, not ss current sinks, active loads etc. It would
be deviating from common practice to call a circuit where the
amplification stages were all tube a "hybrid" circuit

So why use semiconductors at all then ?

Graham

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Andy Evans wrote:

What do you people play recorded music for - to be entertained and
pleased
or sit there with a notepad and write down what defects you *think* you
can hear....??

You think I do that ?

Graham

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My "straw man argument" detector just triggered. :-) Slainte, Jim

I was hoping for something along the lines of:

"carefully presenting and refuting a weakened form of an opponent's
argument is not always itself a fallacy. Instead, it restricts the
scope of the opponent's argument, either to where the argument is no
longer relevant or as a step of a proof by exhaustion".

Andy

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"Keith G" wrote in message


You've got more faith with some of these 'hot under the
collar' types than I have Andy - I take a lot of what
they say with a pinch of salt (large one). Most of 'em
have never heard a valve amp and some of the others have
only heard some old *legacy* struggler at best and seem
to forget what some of the transistor equipment from the
70s could sound like.....

And some of us jsut lately spent three days at a well-known high end audio
show, listening to bunches and bunches of this crap. Did I say that it was
crap?