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Keith G wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Eeyore"
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Keith G wrote:

does, he's on it all the time. I have a pair of
great-sounding amps that are about 40 years old and the
2A3 SET I built a year or two back is based on a 1929
design...!!

Have you ever tried say a well-designed mosfet amp for
comparison ?

A well-designed mosfet amp is going to have loop feedback and a
resonably-low output impedance. The "Keithe G" market is high-output-Z
amps that sound different with every different speaker they hook up,
aside from the differences in the speakers themselves.

Different amp/speaker pairings sound different...??

Now that *is* a breakthrough.....

Doubly so for amplifiers with highish output impedances *by design*.

Graham

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Iain Churches wrote:

The idea of a DHT triode front end appeals enormously.

Why ?

Graham

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"Keith G" wrote in message


What do you people play recorded music for - to be
entertained and pleased

Yeah, and there's a ton of music in this world that does
not need to be wallpapered to sound good.

or sit there with a notepad and
write down what defects you *think* you can hear....??

That seems to be what you tube bigots do.

Arny. Why do you choose to call people who use/enjoy tube
amps "bigots" Is this in keeping with your new-born
Christian beliefs?

Just calling things what I see them to be. I guess Iain would prefer that
I lie or obfuscate.


It hasn't bothered you up to now, Arny, so why change? :-)

In my experience tube amp owners are one of the most contented
groups of people with an interest in audio and music.
As Peter Lewis put it, "Happiness is a warm cathode" :-)

Maybe they're just easily contented ?

The owner of a local music shop I know is desperately pround of his bottles but
when I heard it he was dismayed to hear that i thought it sounded very 'middle
of the road'.

In fact a NAD amplifier and a couple of 80s Mission speakers ( very mid range
stuff ) would have shown it a clear pair of heels.

Graham

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Wally wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

It's for listening to of course !
Try again.

Troll.

Your response is feeble. Two short videos of presumably-amateur musicians
playing something on stringy strummy things...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjA5faZF1A8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8oxlPoZNbU

How many stars out of five for each? Does any particular one have a quality
that the other lacks?

They're quite different styles. What's your point ?

Graham

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Arny Krueger wrote:

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All it has to do is sound as *realistic* as possible for
me - that's
*my* realistic, not anyone else's and it definitely helps
if I can hear
*all* of the voices, *all* of the words (where
applicable) and *all* of the instruments. Keith.

Keith, you're definitely heading for one of my small-DHT
preamps - I can give you all the kit bits cheap and you
can assemble it. Don't ask me why, but these small DHTs
have a clarity I don't find in any other amplification
stage. You have a little treat in store. Andy

DHT = Directly-Heated Triodes. They must be a treat to bias properly
given
that the cathode isn't all at the same potential.

I'm perplexed as to how a heater method can alter the 'sound' other than
in the
believer's mind. Either the cathode's at the right temperature for
emission or
it isn't.


Your sense of self-importance based on an absence of knowledge about the
underlying technology is quite breathtaking to behold.

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"Eeyore" wrote in
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Iain Churches wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message


What do you people play recorded music for - to be
entertained and pleased

Yeah, and there's a ton of music in this world that does
not need to be wallpapered to sound good.

or sit there with a notepad and
write down what defects you *think* you can hear....??

That seems to be what you tube bigots do.

Arny. Why do you choose to call people who use/enjoy tube
amps "bigots" Is this in keeping with your new-born
Christian beliefs?

Just calling things what I see them to be. I guess Iain would prefer
that
I lie or obfuscate.


It hasn't bothered you up to now, Arny, so why change? :-)

In my experience tube amp owners are one of the most contented
groups of people with an interest in audio and music.
As Peter Lewis put it, "Happiness is a warm cathode" :-)

Maybe they're just easily contented ?

The owner of a local music shop I know is desperately pround of his
bottles but
when I heard it he was dismayed to hear that i thought it sounded very
'middle
of the road'.

In fact a NAD amplifier and a couple of 80s Mission speakers ( very mid
range
stuff ) would have shown it a clear pair of heels.



Clown.

OK, that's plenty enough - I hope your sense of self-importance based on an
absence of knowledge about anything much worth reading isn't too dented by
the discovery that strolling through this group dispensing wisdom like
you've got a clue and and getting smart-mouthed with it qualifies you for a
free trip to my ****ter....??

**splash**


[Note to self: Wake up, spot the clues - no more noobie ****s with silly
names, especially when they start bragging they've been 'pro
recordists'.....]

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Eeyore wrote:

They're quite different styles. What's your point ?

They are indeed quite different styles. It just so happens that I like both
styles, probably in pretty equal measure. For me, the quality that one
example has over the other is that it is involving - it takes me somewhere.
The lad doing the rock version of Pachabel's Canon can riff like a good-un',
but it lacks soul. The guy with the uke takes the tune to a different level,
another dimension.

I've played guitar for many years (less so in the last two or three), and my
repertoire includes both of those styles. I can feel what the ukelele guy is
doing - he's doing stuff that even he barely knows is happening (especially
during the strummy passage near the end, where he's multiplying the rythm
strokes - totally tripped out). I know what that feels like because, when
I'm "on it", the same thing happens to me. By contrast, the Canon Kid knows
exactly what he's doing, every note of the way.

You start by knowing what you're doing - you know the chord shapes, the
finger movements, the timing of the notes and strums, etc. You are overtly
conscious of the physical actions that are required to present a rendition
of a tune. Then you start listening to what you're doing without actually
thinking about the hand movements - you become your own entertainer with the
unique ability of being able to make the music change
mood/feel/tempo/whatever - by mind power, essentially. Eventually, you have
those moments where stuff comes out that you're barely aware that you, the
musician, are making happen - to the extent that you wonder if it really is
you that's 'making it happen'.

There are peices I've been playing for 20 years that I *still* haven't been
able to analyse in terms of the hand movements - I 'wrote' them, but I
couldn't tell you a damn thing about them, because 'I' wasn't paying that
sort of attention when they were written. Ever wondered why some artists
talk about being a conduit or channel? It's because they're so disassociated
from the the conscious application of technique or theory (stuff literally
just comes out), that they're not even sure it's coming from themselves.

I'll give the kid two stars for effort - I like the tune, his technique is
generally clean, and his chord riffing is excellent (if you like tight as
****, bang-on-the-money rock riffing, that is). He's docked for lack of
imagination in phrasing (gets repetitive) and there's a dodgy edit at the
traffic sign thing where I suspect he's dubbed in a better concluding
passage. Fair play to the lad, it's a good effort. Give him another 10 years
and he might progress from player to musician.

The ukelele guy? Undoubted five star material. He gets the five stars for
the sheer ability to let go and give his subconscious free reign. When a
piece of music takes you to where the ukelele guy is, 'listening' - 'aural
observation' if you like - has nothing to do with it.

When you approach music with a perspective like this, stuff like 'accuracy'
and 'fidelity' just *don't matter*. It's about the emotional experience that
the sound induces in you.

The Canon Kid is listening. The uke guy is living it.


--
Wally
www.wally.myby.co.uk
Call me a saint, call me a sinner - just don't call me... late for
dinner.

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Keith G wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote in
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Arny Krueger wrote:

"Andy Evans" wrote in
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All it has to do is sound as *realistic* as possible for
me - that's
*my* realistic, not anyone else's and it definitely helps
if I can hear
*all* of the voices, *all* of the words (where
applicable) and *all* of the instruments. Keith.

Keith, you're definitely heading for one of my small-DHT
preamps - I can give you all the kit bits cheap and you
can assemble it. Don't ask me why, but these small DHTs
have a clarity I don't find in any other amplification
stage. You have a little treat in store. Andy

DHT = Directly-Heated Triodes. They must be a treat to bias properly
given that the cathode isn't all at the same potential.

I'm perplexed as to how a heater method can alter the 'sound' other than
in the believer's mind. Either the cathode's at the right temperature for
emission or it isn't.

Your sense of self-importance based on an absence of knowledge about the
underlying technology is quite breathtaking to behold.

Unlike you I *do* understand the technology.

Do please illustrate how 'direct heating' can affect a sound.

Graham

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Keith G wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote in
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Iain Churches wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message


What do you people play recorded music for - to be
entertained and pleased

Yeah, and there's a ton of music in this world that does
not need to be wallpapered to sound good.

or sit there with a notepad and
write down what defects you *think* you can hear....??

That seems to be what you tube bigots do.

Arny. Why do you choose to call people who use/enjoy tube
amps "bigots" Is this in keeping with your new-born
Christian beliefs?

Just calling things what I see them to be. I guess Iain would prefer
that
I lie or obfuscate.


It hasn't bothered you up to now, Arny, so why change? :-)

In my experience tube amp owners are one of the most contented
groups of people with an interest in audio and music.
As Peter Lewis put it, "Happiness is a warm cathode" :-)

Maybe they're just easily contented ?

The owner of a local music shop I know is desperately pround of his
bottles but
when I heard it he was dismayed to hear that i thought it sounded very
'middle of the road'.

In fact a NAD amplifier and a couple of 80s Mission speakers ( very mid
range stuff ) would have shown it a clear pair of heels.

Clown.

A simple assessment.


OK, that's plenty enough - I hope your sense of self-importance based on an
absence of knowledge about anything much worth reading isn't too dented by
the discovery that strolling through this group dispensing wisdom like
you've got a clue and and getting smart-mouthed with it qualifies you for a
free trip to my ****ter....??

**splash**

[Note to self: Wake up, spot the clues - no more noobie ****s with silly
names, especially when they start bragging they've been 'pro
recordists'.....]

Since when is someone with 33 yrs employment in audio ( and the previous 7 as a
hobby ) a noob ?

Not only do I indeed do sound engineering but I design the kit too. I learnt on
valves originally btw.

Graham

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In my experience tube amp owners are one of the most contented
groups of people with an interest in audio and music. As Peter Lewis
put it, "Happiness is a warm cathode" :-)

Or - "If it ain't glowing, it ain't going"