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"Arny Krueger" wrote


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What do you people play recorded music for - to be
entertained and pleased

Yeah, and there's a ton of music in this world that does
not need to be wallpapered to sound good.

or sit there with a notepad and
write down what defects you *think* you can hear....??

That seems to be what you tube bigots do.

Yeah, right - I post a quick and dirty recording, you
come on here and tell me how many times it clipped....

Just trying to explain why it sounded so bad.



Not really Arny, it was just you trying to **** on my parade - the clips I
posted were for various reasons and *sound quality* per se wasn't always of
the greatest essence....

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Keith G wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote

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What do you people play recorded music for - to be
entertained and pleased

Yeah, and there's a ton of music in this world that
does not need to be wallpapered to sound good.

or sit there with a notepad and
write down what defects you *think* you can hear....??

That seems to be what you tube bigots do.

Yeah, right - I post a quick and dirty recording, you
come on here and tell
me how many times it clipped....

No he didn't.



Yes he did, often - before your time....


Just trying to explain why it sounded bad. Keith had his training wheels
on and eventually he learned how to make a fairly competent transcription
of vinyl.



Boy, you do talk some ****!

My 'transcriptions' now are *no* different to the early ones except for the
phono stage I use now - back then I was using an EAR834P valve stage with a
massive GF which necessitated pushing the sliders on my recording software
to virtually *zero* to avoid clipping at all. This was all explained at the
time and I even posted screenshots to show what was happening - more
*denial* or perhaps simply a *distortion* of the facts for your own ends?

It may warm the cockles of your heart to know that I have learned a good
deal from some of the posters in this group over the recent years, but you
and that silly little clown Plowie (another idiot who thinks he has
something to *teach* to other people) are not among their number.....

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What they are confusing this with is their preference
for an intentionally flawed but
entirely pleasnt and relatively benign form of
distortion. Nothing wrong with their
listening preference but the presentation of this as
inherently superior is utterly
bogus.

The idea that valves are simply "added distortion" and
nothing else could only be made by somebody with a)
very little knowledge of modern valve circuits and how
they sound or b) somebody with cloth ears.


A Swedish "very high end" dealer told me just recently:
quote:

" The very top of the audio market is totally dominated
by tube amplifiers. Music lovers in this sector (many of
who have speakers at 10k a pair) are highly
discerning."

In short, he has a lot of respect for people that pay
his way. Proves nothing.

*Denial* is the 'Christian Way', eh Arny? :-)

How does that relate?

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You've got more faith with some of these 'hot under the
collar' types than I have Andy - I take a lot of what
they say with a pinch of salt (large one). Most of 'em
have never heard a valve amp and some of the others
have only heard some old *legacy* struggler at best
and seem to forget what some of the transistor
equipment from the 70s could sound like.....

And some of us jsut lately spent three days at a
well-known high end audio show, listening to bunches
and bunches of this crap. Did I say that it was crap?

What crap - legacy valve amps

'Legacy' valve amps are currently being manufactured.


or 70s transistor equipment?

70s transistor equipment was last manufactured in then
ummm.... errrrr... 70s !


Or are you saying there were a *lot* of new valve amps
there? If there were it would tell us something - your
not liking them means nothing to me, almost certainly
nothing to the manufacturers or even the rest of the
world probably....?? ;-)

There is essentially no 'new' tube design possible due to
the serious fundamental limitations of the devices. Any
significant advances terminated in the 50s.

One irony is that there were very few commercial high-powered SETs until
the last decade or two. By the time there were tubes that could handle
enough power to be interesting, running audio amp output stages in
push-pull had become quite the rage.


'Interesting'....???

More ******** - the only thing that fuelled the need for increasingly
powerful amps was the continuing trend/requirement for smaller speakers and
that was mostly influence from the US of A, where they need 7+ litre cars
and 1,300 cc bikes to do 55 mph....

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Keith G wrote:

does, he's on it all the time. I have a pair of
great-sounding amps that are about 40 years old and the
2A3 SET I built a year or two back is based on a 1929
design...!!

Have you ever tried say a well-designed mosfet amp for
comparison ?

A well-designed mosfet amp is going to have loop feedback and a
resonably-low output impedance. The "Keithe G" market is high-output-Z
amps that sound different with every different speaker they hook up,
aside from the differences in the speakers themselves.



Different amp/speaker pairings sound different...??

Now that *is* a breakthrough.....

Keep it up Arny, you'll soon get the hang of it....!! ;-)

(We'll do speaker/room matching next, when you are ready for it....!!)

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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What do you people play recorded music for - to be
entertained and pleased

Yeah, and there's a ton of music in this world that does
not need to be wallpapered to sound good.

or sit there with a notepad and
write down what defects you *think* you can hear....??

That seems to be what you tube bigots do.

Arny. Why do you choose to call people who use/enjoy tube
amps "bigots" Is this in keeping with your new-born
Christian beliefs?

Just calling things what I see them to be. I guess Iain would prefer that
I lie or obfuscate.



Love the way you are always 'playing to the gallery' Arny - it's a
refreshing variation of the nasty, divisive little 'we' theme...

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"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Andy Evans" wrote in
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oups.com...
What they are confusing this with is their preference
for an intentionally flawed but
entirely pleasnt and relatively benign form of
distortion. Nothing wrong with their
listening preference but the presentation of this as
inherently superior is utterly
bogus.

The idea that valves are simply "added distortion" and
nothing else could only be made by somebody with a)
very little knowledge of modern valve circuits and how
they sound or b) somebody with cloth ears.


A Swedish "very high end" dealer told me just recently:
quote:

" The very top of the audio market is totally dominated
by tube amplifiers. Music lovers in this sector (many of
who have speakers at 10k a pair) are highly
discerning."

In short, he has a lot of respect for people that pay
his way. Proves nothing.

*Denial* is the 'Christian Way', eh Arny? :-)

How does that relate?



You want me to draw you a picture.....???

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Keith G wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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You've got more faith with some of these 'hot under
the collar' types than I have Andy - I take a lot of
what they say with a pinch of salt (large one). Most
of 'em have never heard a valve amp and some of the
others have only heard some old *legacy* struggler
at best and seem to forget what some of the
transistor equipment from the 70s could sound
like.....

And some of us jsut lately spent three days at a
well-known high end audio show, listening to bunches
and bunches of this crap. Did I say that it was crap?

What crap - legacy valve amps

'Legacy' valve amps are currently being manufactured.


or 70s transistor equipment?

70s transistor equipment was last manufactured in then
ummm.... errrrr... 70s !


Or are you saying there were a *lot* of new valve amps
there? If there were it would tell us something - your
not liking them means nothing to me, almost certainly
nothing to the manufacturers or even the rest of the
world probably....?? ;-)

There is essentially no 'new' tube design possible due
to the serious fundamental limitations of the devices.
Any significant advances terminated in the 50s.

One irony is that there were very few commercial
high-powered SETs until the last decade or two. By the
time there were tubes that could handle enough power to
be interesting, running audio amp output stages in
push-pull had become quite the rage.

'Interesting'....???

More ******** - the only thing that fuelled the need for
increasingly powerful amps was the continuing
trend/requirement for smaller speakers

No, what mainly drove the need for increasingly powerful amps during the
1930s when more power and P-P became the rage, was larger venues - mostly
movie theatres.

Later on in the 50s, the most powerful amps in general use were used
primarily to drive cutting lathes - LP production ya know?

and that was
mostly influence from the US of A, where they need 7+
litre cars and 1,300 cc bikes to do 55 mph....

Typical of your ignorance, Keith. The double-nickel has been gone for a long
time.

Furthermore, nobody really needs 7+ liter cars. But should someone here
choose to have one, the gas to propel it isn't taxed to high heaven.

Myself - I get on well with a couple of 3.0 liter vehicles, a sedan and a
van. The sedan is kinda interesting, as it has a quad cam V-6 with
computer-controlled variable cam timing, a 6-speed automatic transmission
and 4-link suspension (none of those backward McPherson struts) at all 4
corners.

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"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Iain Churches" wrote in
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"Andy Evans" wrote in
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oups.com...
What they are confusing this with is their preference
for an intentionally flawed but
entirely pleasnt and relatively benign form of
distortion. Nothing wrong with their
listening preference but the presentation of this as
inherently superior is utterly
bogus.

The idea that valves are simply "added distortion"
and nothing else could only be made by somebody with
a) very little knowledge of modern valve circuits
and how they sound or b) somebody with cloth ears.


A Swedish "very high end" dealer told me just
recently: quote:

" The very top of the audio market is totally
dominated by tube amplifiers. Music lovers in this
sector (many of who have speakers at 10k a pair) are
highly discerning."

In short, he has a lot of respect for people that pay
his way. Proves nothing.

*Denial* is the 'Christian Way', eh Arny? :-)

How does that relate?

You want me to draw you a picture.....???

Based on past experience, I doubt your competence to do that convincingly.

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You've got more faith with some of these 'hot under
the collar' types than I have Andy - I take a lot of
what they say with a pinch of salt (large one). Most
of 'em have never heard a valve amp and some of the
others have only heard some old *legacy* struggler
at best and seem to forget what some of the
transistor equipment from the 70s could sound
like.....

And some of us jsut lately spent three days at a
well-known high end audio show, listening to bunches
and bunches of this crap. Did I say that it was crap?

What crap - legacy valve amps

'Legacy' valve amps are currently being manufactured.


or 70s transistor equipment?

70s transistor equipment was last manufactured in then
ummm.... errrrr... 70s !


Or are you saying there were a *lot* of new valve amps
there? If there were it would tell us something - your
not liking them means nothing to me, almost certainly
nothing to the manufacturers or even the rest of the
world probably....?? ;-)

There is essentially no 'new' tube design possible due
to the serious fundamental limitations of the devices.
Any significant advances terminated in the 50s.

One irony is that there were very few commercial
high-powered SETs until the last decade or two. By the
time there were tubes that could handle enough power to
be interesting, running audio amp output stages in
push-pull had become quite the rage.

'Interesting'....???

More ******** - the only thing that fuelled the need for
increasingly powerful amps was the continuing
trend/requirement for smaller speakers

No, what mainly drove the need for increasingly powerful amps during the
1930s when more power and P-P became the rage, was larger venues - mostly
movie theatres.

Later on in the 50s, the most powerful amps in general use were used
primarily to drive cutting lathes - LP production ya know?

and that was
mostly influence from the US of A, where they need 7+
litre cars and 1,300 cc bikes to do 55 mph....

Typical of your ignorance, Keith. The double-nickel has been gone for a
long time.


Quite surprising how hard you gotta run to try and stay in front of us
iggerant and *shallow* types, innit...?? :-)

If you are so smart - I have just been informed that Trinity College,
Cambridge (UK) owns, amongst a ton of other stuff, about 10% of Manhattan
Island, NY (US)...?? Is that right?


Furthermore, nobody really needs 7+ liter cars. But should someone here
choose to have one, the gas to propel it isn't taxed to high heaven.


Well, you Yanks ain't paying out for welfare benefits and free hospital
treatment for most of Europe's young adult males, are you....???



Myself - I get on well with a couple of 3.0 liter vehicles, a sedan and a
van. The sedan is kinda interesting, as it has a quad cam V-6 with
computer-controlled variable cam timing, a 6-speed automatic transmission
and 4-link suspension (none of those backward McPherson struts) at all 4
corners.


All sounds a bit 'over-engineered' to me - my car runs on air suspension and
flounces about like a pimp's Caddy, but the suspension is 'hight adjustable'
from the driver's seat.....