"Keith G" wrote in message
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"APR" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Don't hold me to these figures but I believe the recent UK sales have
been along the following lines:

2001 - £178,000 (approx)

2005 - over a £million!

Low and behold Keith, on an Aussie TV news channel tonight I started
recording to hard drive just as the announcer was stating that 178,000
records were sold in the year in Aussie 5 years ago. Current sales were
said to exceed 1,000,000/year and demand is climbing. The new buyers were
said to be young people who are replacing their CD collection with vinyl.
They went on to say there is only one press operational in Australia to
meet demand.



The same figures work for Australia also....???

Now, that *is* queer......



I have a young bloke in Sydney who plays Jazz around the venues and he
and his mates (musicians) all play vinyl, although, I wasn't impressed
with the standard of son's turntable last time I looked.


The kid on the (UK) news article I saw said he was using his grandfather's
(??) tt but was saving up for his own!

I suspect the youngsters who do buy decks mostly go for the 'disco' type:

http://www.djkit.co.uk/sectionindexes/decks.php

There are some pretty sexy bits of kit available with inbuilt DACs and
Phono Stages, USB connectivity and (best of all) blue or red lights on
'em!! One thing which is a bit impressive if the ability to record 78s and
'software convert' them to 33s!!

http://www.firebox.com/index.html?di...01&src _t=wnp

(Don't know how good it would be, but I suspect it would be hard to
tell...?? ;-)


I didn't get the start of the broadcast, however, on listening again to what
I do have it appears the figures quoted are not refering to Australia as the
announcer then goes on to say "while figures here arn't so dramatic, figures
here are up 12% from last year". so the numbers quoted probable are refering
to your area of the world as they are the same as you are quoting.

In article , Keith G
wrote:

...so it must be true!

On the telly, earlier this evening, Paul Gambaccini was reported as
having said he thought the 7" vinyl single could outlive the CD!!

Purely by co-incidence I just put up this page...

http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioM...ndLPsales.html

If you wish to comment on 7" sales, then you might also like to consider
those for 12" singles as well. :-)

Naturally I am pleased to hear this because the sound quality from some
of these little buggers (at 45 rpm) can be very good indeed and I love
playing them myself! I have often said that a couple of kids playing a
stack of singles back in the 60s probably got more enjoyment from them
than some of the 'audiophiles' do today on the most expensive kit!

I heard a report about this on R4 last night. The report included a comment
attributed to a BPI spokesman to the effect that, "They may be buying them
for 'fashion' reasons as many of the purchasers probably have no way to
play them."

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , APR
wrote:

"Keith G" wrote in message
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Don't hold me to these figures but I believe the recent UK sales
have been along the following lines:

2001 - £178,000 (approx)

2005 - over a £million!

Low and behold Keith, on an Aussie TV news channel tonight I started
recording to hard drive just as the announcer was stating that 178,000
records were sold in the year in Aussie 5 years ago. Current sales were
said to exceed 1,000,000/year and demand is climbing. The new buyers
were said to be young people who are replacing their CD collection with
vinyl.

How many CDs per year are sold in Australia?

They went on to say there is only one press operational in Australia to
meet demand.

Wonder how many CD production plants there are.

Slainte,

Jim

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Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html

Keith G wrote:
...so it must be true!



What was interesting was the young lad on the TV prog said what he like
about the singles was the physical aspect of having something to see and
hold! (As opposed to the 'virtual music' of the iPods!) PG also said summat
like playing a record involved the visual sense and watching the record play
was an important part of the experience!!


So nothing to do with the quality of the sound then?

Roy.

APR wrote:


I have a young bloke in Sydney who plays Jazz around the venues and he and
his mates (musicians) all play vinyl,

Jazz? Vinyl? What are they smoking? I bet they all like valve amps too.

Roy.

"APR" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote


The same figures work for Australia also....???

Now, that *is* queer......


I didn't get the start of the broadcast, however, on listening again to
what I do have it appears the figures quoted are not refering to Australia
as the announcer then goes on to say "while figures here arn't so
dramatic, figures here are up 12% from last year". so the numbers quoted
probable are refering to your area of the world as they are the same as
you are quoting.



OK, that solves the mystery. The thing is, do you also get the Denial Boys
in Australia queueing up to **** on '+12%' and claim that it somehow *isn't*
an increase...??

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
oups.com...
I don't remember seeing if the sales were entirely new, or included
second hand. Second hand vinyl being collectible that could boost the
value significantly.



I think it would be impossible to gather meaningful statistics of secondhand
vinyl sales....???

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:40:54 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Bill Taylor" wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:47:21 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"malc" wrote in message
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Statistics say whatever
you want them to.


No they don't, not if they are genuine and accurate.....

Years ago I read a book called "How to lie with statistics" which
shows how to select and present genuine and accurate information to
give virtually whatever conclusion you want. Never trusted statiscal
results since, especially if they come from
salemen/politicians/pressure groups etc.


Tell you what, chill out and read these:

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/netmusic/...526590,00.html

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...ge=1&pagepos=2

This one actually gives some figures at the bottom, if you believe
them of course!

7 inch vinyl sales for 2005 -- 288,780
Total single sales for 2005 -- 11,040,075

So vinyl singles sales were 2.6% of the total market.

Yes, vinyl singles sales increased by 87% but from an insignificant
base. Also note that overall sales increased by 52%.

Someone says that vinyl singles sales have increased by 87% (a big
number) but gives no other figures. The naive observer concludes that
vinyl sales are doing well and becoming significant. Look at the real
figures and the true picture emerges.

Otherwise known as lying with statistics.



Have I got 'Toopid' or summat tattooed on my forehead that I need a lecture
on statistics?

It's quite obvious that you aren't 'Toopid'. Judging from your
original post and your reply denying that statistics can be
manipulated it seemed that you did need a Lecture

No-one in his right mind believes a word of what politicians,
salesmen, clergymen and most 'professionals' say, but to dismiss all
statistics as 'lies, all lies' is a little ignorant to say the least.
Without the scientific application of 'statististic' you'd still be queueing
for the toilet somewhere....

Quite.

(Long before there was *digital anything* my grandfather told me not to
believe half what I see or anything that I hear....!! ;-)

"Roy" x@y wrote in message ...
Keith G wrote:
...so it must be true!



What was interesting was the young lad on the TV prog said what he like
about the singles was the physical aspect of having something to see and
hold! (As opposed to the 'virtual music' of the iPods!) PG also said
summat like playing a record involved the visual sense and watching the
record play was an important part of the experience!!


So nothing to do with the quality of the sound then?


Not particularly, it would seem. The news report was very brief but the
point the lad was making was that it's better to have something *physical*
to play than mere files on the iPod things. FWIW, I concur..

But what are you saying - vinyl singles, the 'wireless' and, say, 256K MP3s
don't sound good? (Especially to someone who's not hung up on ''accuracy'
&c.....?)

What do you listen to:

Out jogging?
At work?
In the bathroom?
In the kitchen?
In the toilet?
In the car?
On a train/bus/plane?
In the shed/garage/workshop?
In the garden?*
On holiday?

(Did I miss anything...?? :-)


* shudder....

Keith G wrote:
"Roy" x@y wrote in message ...
Keith G wrote:
...so it must be true!

What was interesting was the young lad on the TV prog said what he like
about the singles was the physical aspect of having something to see and
hold! (As opposed to the 'virtual music' of the iPods!) PG also said
summat like playing a record involved the visual sense and watching the
record play was an important part of the experience!!

So nothing to do with the quality of the sound then?


Not particularly, it would seem. The news report was very brief but the
point the lad was making was that it's better to have something *physical*
to play than mere files on the iPod things. FWIW, I concur..

Well as my eyesight gets worse with age, I do concede the superior
"handleability" of LPs (well if you want to read the sleeve notes anyhow).


But what are you saying - vinyl singles, the 'wireless' and, say, 256K MP3s
don't sound good? (Especially to someone who's not hung up on ''accuracy'
&c.....?)

What do you listen to:

Out jogging?

Nothing

At work?

Nothing

In the bathroom?

My own singing

In the kitchen?

Anything via the open doors from the living room

In the toilet?

See bathroom

In the car?

Radio or CD (though the acoustic of the average car makes the source
medium pretty immaterial)

On a train/bus/plane?

iPOD

In the shed/garage/workshop?

Nothing

In the garden?*

Nothing

On holiday?

Usually nothing though sometimes iPOD


(Did I miss anything...?? :-)

The living room (where I do most of my listening).
Usually CD with the exception of my LP collection, Radio 3, sometimes
iTunes on the Mac or iPOD via the hi-fi.

Roy.