"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Says it all and I will not add to this thread again other than to say,
having been cornered into the position of 'Sole Defender Of Vinyl' in
UKRA in the recent past, all I ever sought was that a *small few* should
not have had it banned as an 'inadmissible audio topic' - no-one ever
said it was *compulsory*....

But vinyl has NOT been banned. You are still welcome to buy it and listen
to
it. What more do you need???
Others are just sick of hearing the same stupid arguments for 25 years!

Uh huh. So this is where you hang out these days, still banging the same old
anti-vinyl gong. Different newsgroup, same message. Not much changes, does
it T?

ruff

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Says it all and I will not add to this thread again
other than to say, having been cornered into the
position of 'Sole Defender Of Vinyl' in UKRA in the
recent past, all I ever sought was that a *small few*
should not have had it banned as an 'inadmissible audio
topic' - no-one ever said it was *compulsory*....

But vinyl has NOT been banned.

Agreed. Although the trite "I just bought a new LP" posts should be were
that to be possible.

You are still welcome to
buy it and listen to it. What more do you need???

Reinforcement that said activity makes him "special".

Others are just sick of hearing the same stupid arguments
for 25 years!

Arguments like those presented by Krakow, which are based on a complete
contradiction of established facts, get very tiring, very fact. The real
question is: "Is Krakow knowlegable enough to be lying"? Or, is he merely
mislead?

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
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The Ampex units are total overkill for domestic use. I'd
take a Revox A700 over an Ampex any day. For speed
stability, that direct drive Pabst capstan motor
combined with the electronic servo tensioning, was just
unbeatable. And the electronics were modern and quiet.

Plus, unlike the Ampex, the whole package doesn't take
up an entire room.

What's better about a Revox than an AG440 or a 351?

The A77 had a number of advantages over those old Ampexes especially the
351- size, weight, price, reliability, and availability. All that and
equivalent or better performance.

Unlike you Bret, I've actually seen and touched a 351. The thing is about
the size of a washing machine and about as portable. People who carted 351s
around to record live performances were heroes!

Besides, aren't the Studer versions of the Revox
generally easier to use and more desireable?

Only in terms of practical use. ;-)

The new head and other part suppliers are geared up to
supply Ampex parts, morso than anything else.

The real problem is that restoring or even maintaining a reel-to-reel
recorder is an act of love, not an act of utility.

Plus, 351 transports can be had for free sometimes, and
you can build your own electronics or use the aftermarket
Inovonics units.

A few years back, I turned down the gift of a PR 99, admittedly in need of
some parts. A friend who lives nearby has a 351 in his basement.

"Jenn" wrote in
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In article ,
dizzy wrote:

Peter Wieck wrote:

On Aug 30, 1:38 pm, John Byrns
wrote:

I like them both, the LP has the edge in the
information carrying capacity of the jacket, while the
CD has the edge in convenience.

Exactly. It is permitted to "like them both".

Indeed. Many of the arguments would stop if ignorant
vinyl-lovers would stop spewing their ignorance. Seems
as though every half-wit out there thinks they have
sufficient knowledge of digital audio to make bold
statements about it's supposed limitations.

It would also be helpful if those here who accuse vinyl
fans of saying something would actually read the posts of
those individuals.

No Jenn you've got it all wrong. We're accusing vinyl fans of distorting
established scientific facts to support their delusional position that the
best sounding LPs sound more lifelike than a well-made CD.

"Jenn" wrote in
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No, the point of my post (which you cut) is very clear:
It would also be helpful if those here who accuse vinyl
fans of saying something would actually read the posts of
those individuals.

I read your posts, Jenn. Unfortunately they chronicle your futile search for
meaning. Here's a friendly hint - you probably won't find it in a store that
sells LPs, or while sitting next to your turntable daydreaming.

"Peter Wieck" wrote in message
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On Aug 30, 6:53 pm, "Richard Crowley"
wrote:


There's no lack of outrageous and ignorant claims made by
vinyl-fanatics.

Oh, fer krissakes... get a grip.

Opinion is just that.

Yes, but that wasn't what the OP was about. It was about inverting the
meaning of established scientific facts.

Peter, why are you misreprenting the facts repeatedly? I've come to expect
far better from you!

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
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To me the real killer point is if you take any decent
source - analogue or digital - and copy to digital in
the CD format and to vinyl, there were be a *very*
noticeable difference between that master and the vinyl
but not between it and the digital copy. Of course
*some* will prefer the vinyl sound. But then come up
with all sorts of bull**** as to why.

Yep it's been happening for 25 years and no sign of
stopping.

My take is that now that the DJ-driven demand for vinyl is falling off, and
sales are already dropping preciptiously, the hype will trail off.

My take is that they PREFER the so called "euphonic
distortions", but can't possibly accept the fact that
they may PREFER something not actually as technically
accurate.

I think we need to consider the psychology and sociology of the situation,
By publically fawning all over vinyl, people join what they perceive to be
an elite. The psychology of preferring vinyl despite its warts is similar to
piercing.

They then have to come up with stupid
explanations plausible to themselves,

Especially those who have a full-blown addiction, and repeatedly blow $100's
and $1,000's on overpriced upgrades to their vinyl-mangling equipment.

and once they have
convinced themselves, feel the need to be evangelical and
convert the rest of the world, just like most religions
:-)

Vinylista propaganda is more like an indeology than a religion. Converting
to Vinylism seems to often involve refuting the established claims of
science, as the OP shows Mr. Krakow doing.

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
u...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
Says it all and I will not add to this thread again other than to
say,
having been cornered into the position of 'Sole Defender Of Vinyl' in
UKRA in the recent past, all I ever sought was that a *small few*
should
not have had it banned as an 'inadmissible audio topic' - no-one ever
said it was *compulsory*....


OK, I've changed my mind and will add to this thread...



But vinyl has NOT been banned. You are still welcome to buy it and
listen to
it. What more do you need???


Perfect example of the deliberate distortion that all vinyl bashers need
to forward their agenda - or you really can't distinguish between
banning *vinyl* or the *topic of vinyl* in an audio ng....??

Others are just sick of hearing the same stupid arguments for 25
years!


Their problem, not mine....

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
u
"Keith G" wrote in message
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Says it all and I will not add to this thread again
other than to say, having been cornered into the
position of 'Sole Defender Of Vinyl' in UKRA in the
recent past, all I ever sought was that a *small few*
should not have had it banned as an 'inadmissible audio
topic' - no-one ever said it was *compulsory*....

But vinyl has NOT been banned.

Agreed. Although the trite "I just bought a new LP" posts should be
were that to be possible.


If you are talking about me I would be interested to see such a post -
can you point me to one, or is this another example of the distortion
you vinyl-bashers need to reinforce your hopeless *antivinyl* arguments?



You are still welcome to
buy it and listen to it. What more do you need???

Reinforcement that said activity makes him "special".


Don't be so ridiculous, I'm fed up with seeing/hearing everything being
related to vinyl - all the way down to CDs being made to look like 7
inch 45s....

Mr.**** said:

You admit you don't care about other opinions either,

Incorrect.

What part of "And I couldn't give a rat's what YOU prefer either." is
incorrect?

If this doesn't tell you how futile it is to argue with ****, then you
deserve the coming rounds of "debating trade" you're heading for.