"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Jenn" wrote in
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dizzy wrote:

Peter Wieck wrote:

On Aug 30, 1:38 pm, John Byrns
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I like them both, the LP has the edge in the
information carrying capacity of the jacket, while the
CD has the edge in convenience.

Exactly. It is permitted to "like them both".

Indeed. Many of the arguments would stop if ignorant
vinyl-lovers would stop spewing their ignorance. Seems
as though every half-wit out there thinks they have
sufficient knowledge of digital audio to make bold
statements about it's supposed limitations.

It would also be helpful if those here who accuse vinyl
fans of saying something would actually read the posts of
those individuals.

No Jenn you've got it all wrong. We're accusing vinyl fans of
distorting established scientific facts to support their delusional
position that the best sounding LPs sound more lifelike than a
well-made CD.


Which, of course, it does - ask anybody who isn't in *denial*....

On Aug 31, 2:19?am, Adrian C wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
The recording is made up of noughts and ones. Noughts naturally are
nothing so only the ones count. Therefore 50% of the total.


Not an equal number of ones and zeroes ...


An LP has two sides, a CD only one. 50% difference.

--
Adrian C


Some LP's had three sides. One side had two grooves, which one you got
was determined by where the stylus fell.

So, 33 to 50%

Actually, I think it was just a way to use up surface space when there
was a shortage of taped master stuff. Three tracks were less than two.

Maybe.

But, nobody makes an acoustic CD player ...

Happy Ears!
Al

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
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To me the real killer point is if you take any decent
source - analogue or digital - and copy to digital in
the CD format and to vinyl, there were be a *very*
noticeable difference between that master and the vinyl
but not between it and the digital copy. Of course
*some* will prefer the vinyl sound. But then come up
with all sorts of bull**** as to why.

Yep it's been happening for 25 years and no sign of
stopping.

My take is that now that the DJ-driven demand for vinyl is falling
off, and sales are already dropping preciptiously, the hype will trail
off.


No Arny, you've got that all wrong (unless you are *distorting* again
which, of course, is highly likely) - it's CDs that are disappearing
rapidly. Vinyl continues to chunter on and with the flood of new
hardware (turntables, carts &c.) I supect it will only grow when the
lofts have been emptied and the owners of that hardware want to feed
their investments...


I think we need to consider the psychology and sociology of the
situation, By publically fawning all over vinyl, people join what they
perceive to be an elite. The psychology of preferring vinyl despite
its warts is similar to piercing.


Studying the psychology of those who feel *excluded* from what is a
fairly commonplace and mundane leisure activity might be more
interesting and then maybe go on to try and fathom why the same
evidenced *denial* is being applied to any new HD audio media??

Readers of a UK newsgroup might want to ask themselves why a foreigner
feels it necessary to pound it relentlessly with *antivinyl
propaganda*?? All I can say is that I believe this group exists
primarily for and is staffed by *UK audio enthusiasts* (not the legions
of Chavs who couldn't care less and who could be sold shrink-wrapped
dog**** with the right marketing hype) and, as far as I can say,
everyone I know locally as such an 'enthusiast' plays LPs on a routine
basis, as do almost all the members of this group who have visited
here - all bar one, I think...

Anyway, like it or not, vinyl will never become *extinct* in ukra while
I can be bothered to subscribe - elsewhere, I couldn't give a rat's
arse....

Firstly the quote is "about half", and my guess is he simply believes
vinyl has a possible frequency response to ~40kHz rather than 22 kHz, and
doesn't understand in the slightest the concepts of information theory.

Right, with "believe" being the operative word.

Who is really smarter then :-)

You and me. :-)

The recording is made up of noughts and ones.
An LP has two sides, a CD only one. 50% difference.
Some LP's had three sides.

LOL, you guys kill me. :-)

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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in
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No, the point of my post (which you cut) is very clear:
It would also be helpful if those here who accuse vinyl
fans of saying something would actually read the posts of
those individuals.

I read your posts, Jenn. Unfortunately they chronicle your futile search for
meaning. Here's a friendly hint - you probably won't find it in a store that
sells LPs, or while sitting next to your turntable daydreaming.

Arny, you views about my life is interesting to me only for their
unintentional humor and for their irony.

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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in
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In article ,
dizzy wrote:

Peter Wieck wrote:

On Aug 30, 1:38 pm, John Byrns
wrote:

I like them both, the LP has the edge in the
information carrying capacity of the jacket, while the
CD has the edge in convenience.

Exactly. It is permitted to "like them both".

Indeed. Many of the arguments would stop if ignorant
vinyl-lovers would stop spewing their ignorance. Seems
as though every half-wit out there thinks they have
sufficient knowledge of digital audio to make bold
statements about it's supposed limitations.

It would also be helpful if those here who accuse vinyl
fans of saying something would actually read the posts of
those individuals.

No Jenn you've got it all wrong. We're accusing vinyl fans of distorting
established scientific facts to support their delusional position that the
best sounding LPs sound more lifelike than a well-made CD.

You've missed the point yet again. My point is that I've distorted
NOTHING. You and Mr. T can keep distorting my statements any way you
wish to. I "pity the fools" who can read simple posts.

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George M. Middius cmndr _ george @ comcast . net wrote:

Mr.**** said:

You admit you don't care about other opinions either,

Incorrect.

What part of "And I couldn't give a rat's what YOU prefer either." is
incorrect?

If this doesn't tell you how futile it is to argue with ****, then you
deserve the coming rounds of "debating trade" you're heading for.

I'm finished. I have no desire to be caught up in yet another endless
loop of this sort.

Mr.T wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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To me the real killer point is if you take any decent source - analogue or
digital - and copy to digital in the CD format and to vinyl, there were be
a *very* noticeable difference between that master and the vinyl but not
between it and the digital copy. Of course *some* will prefer the vinyl
sound. But then come up with all sorts of bull**** as to why.

Yep it's been happening for 25 years and no sign of stopping.

My take is that they PREFER the so called "euphonic distortions",

Prefer the sound, OK. I think you just have to take a deep breath,
relax, and get over it. Until then -

but can't
possibly accept the fact that they may PREFER something not actually as
technically accurate.

I don't think 'they' know or care, in general.

They then have to come up with stupid explanations
plausible to themselves,

Really? Again, generally people just prefer the sound. The 'why' isn't
particularly important. Knowing why might be interesting, but it's
hardly requisite.

and once they have convinced themselves, feel the
need to be evangelical and convert the rest of the world, just like most
religions :-)


Unlike digitypes? ;-)

Rob

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Says it all and I will not add to this thread again
other than to say, having been cornered into the
position of 'Sole Defender Of Vinyl' in UKRA in the
recent past, all I ever sought was that a *small few*
should not have had it banned as an 'inadmissible audio
topic' - no-one ever said it was *compulsory*....

But vinyl has NOT been banned.

Agreed. Although the trite "I just bought a new LP"
posts should be were that to be possible.


If you are talking about me I would be interested to see
such a post -

Not you, Keith. The offender knows who she is.

Is this another
example of the distortion you vinyl-bashers need to
reinforce your hopeless *antivinyl* arguments?

Vinyl-bashing?

I see playing vinyl for enjoyment sort of like riding in a horse-drawn
carriage for enjoyment.

For practical purposes, vinyl is like a tomb where some interesting music
is entrapped, but can be released if you want to do some work.

You are still welcome to
buy it and listen to it. What more do you need???

Reinforcement that said activity makes him "special".

Don't be so ridiculous, I'm fed up with seeing/hearing
everything being related to vinyl - all the way down to
CDs being made to look like 7 inch 45s....

Those funny black CDs tricked up to look like 45s are an interesting trip
down memory lane...