OT - Everything is perfect
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On 24 Oct 2004 09:06:32 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

Pinkie - Breakfast up, eh?
Mrs. P - Now, put that model aeroplane away and wash your hands. You look
a bit
peaky, if I may say so. Have you been on that newsgroup again?
Pinkie - They just don't understand - I have to make them understand, it's
my
mission. It's all about acoustical transparency. They just don't see that
in
2004 everything is perfect from mic to speaker. It's all perfect. Perfect.
Mrs. P - That man with the frogs, you mean? Has he been annoying you
again?
Pinkie - Everything has been solved. Amplifiers all sound the same. It's
all
acoustically transparent from start to finish. From start to finish -
acoustically transparent.
Mrs. P - You've got some egg on your face, just under your left nostril.
No the
other side - that's your right nostril. There. That's better.
Pinkie - Jim's got the right idea - data, data, data - everything is data.
Mrs. P - Ooh look! There's a robin on the lawn. My God - there's a cat
after
it!
Pinkie - In the intimacy of our own home, dearest, you may call me "My
Hero"!
Mrs. P - Ah that's better, the cat's gone away.
Pinkie - They just don't understand me - my passion, my leadership
qualities,
my importance in the scheme of things. If they'd been there when I won the
Second World War single handed with my Spitfire they'd know they were
dealing
with a real man. They're wimps, all wimps.
Mrs. P - wash your hands and I'll come and help you with the crossword
when
I've done the washing up.
(to be continued.)

I love it when the assholes give up substantive argument...........

Come to think of it, I did once pilot a Spitfire, but I must admit it
was a mk 3, and its 1300cc engine put out a few less horses than a
27-litre Merlin..............................


Pilot?

Wot a fekkin' twerp!!

(About 35 years ago my mate's mum had a Spitfire, but she only *drove*
it....)

OT - Everything is perfect
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On 24 Oct 2004 09:06:32 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

Pinkie - Breakfast up, eh?
Mrs. P - Now, put that model aeroplane away and wash your hands. You look
a bit
peaky, if I may say so. Have you been on that newsgroup again?
Pinkie - They just don't understand - I have to make them understand, it's
my
mission. It's all about acoustical transparency. They just don't see that
in
2004 everything is perfect from mic to speaker. It's all perfect. Perfect.
Mrs. P - That man with the frogs, you mean? Has he been annoying you
again?
Pinkie - Everything has been solved. Amplifiers all sound the same. It's
all
acoustically transparent from start to finish. From start to finish -
acoustically transparent.
Mrs. P - You've got some egg on your face, just under your left nostril.
No the
other side - that's your right nostril. There. That's better.
Pinkie - Jim's got the right idea - data, data, data - everything is data.
Mrs. P - Ooh look! There's a robin on the lawn. My God - there's a cat
after
it!
Pinkie - In the intimacy of our own home, dearest, you may call me "My
Hero"!
Mrs. P - Ah that's better, the cat's gone away.
Pinkie - They just don't understand me - my passion, my leadership
qualities,
my importance in the scheme of things. If they'd been there when I won the
Second World War single handed with my Spitfire they'd know they were
dealing
with a real man. They're wimps, all wimps.
Mrs. P - wash your hands and I'll come and help you with the crossword
when
I've done the washing up.
(to be continued.)

I love it when the assholes give up substantive argument...........

Come to think of it, I did once pilot a Spitfire, but I must admit it
was a mk 3, and its 1300cc engine put out a few less horses than a
27-litre Merlin..............................
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Walter Mitty has now entered the chatroom

OT - Everything is perfect
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Measurements vs. 'listening' arguments.

Valves vs. solid state arguments.

Analogue vs. 'digital' arguments.

Guess who's got nothing else in his 'armoury'....??

That would be you, would it not? I always use listening tests as the
final arbiter of excellence, I always acknowledge that there are a few
excellent valve amps around,

A few??? Apart from ARC, Prem 8 etc. it would be good to get your comments
on some of these manufacturers of valve amplifiers:
(& I've left out many of the current amp manufacturers otherwise it will go
on & on

Audio Note (ok we know already)
Audio Research "" "" )
Berning
Carver
Cary
Cochran
Convergent Audio
CJ (I think we know)
Counterpoint SA4
Dynaco
Ensemble
FM Acoustics
Jadis (I can guess)
Jovox
George Kaye (Nepenthe)
Klimo
Lazarus
Lectron
MFA
Melos
Milbert
Music Reference
Nestorovic Labs
Nobis
Pointsource
Quad
Quicksilver
Scientific Fidelity
Sheppard
Sonic Frontiers
Soundtech
Tube Research Labs
VAC
VTL & Manley
Verdier
Woodside/Radford


So few good ones?







Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

OT - Everything is perfect
 

Mike Gilmour wrote:
"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Measurements vs. 'listening' arguments.

Valves vs. solid state arguments.

Analogue vs. 'digital' arguments.

Guess who's got nothing else in his 'armoury'....??

That would be you, would it not? I always use listening tests as the
final arbiter of excellence, I always acknowledge that there are a
few excellent valve amps around,

A few??? Apart from ARC, Prem 8 etc. it would be good to get your
comments on some of these manufacturers of valve amplifiers:
(& I've left out many of the current amp manufacturers otherwise it
will go on & on

Audio Note (ok we know already)
Audio Research "" "" )
Berning
Carver
Cary
Cochran
Convergent Audio
CJ (I think we know)
Counterpoint SA4
Dynaco
Ensemble
FM Acoustics
Jadis (I can guess)
Jovox
George Kaye (Nepenthe)
Klimo
Lazarus
Lectron
MFA
Melos
Milbert
Music Reference
Nestorovic Labs
Nobis
Pointsource
Quad
Quicksilver
Scientific Fidelity
Sheppard
Sonic Frontiers
Soundtech
Tube Research Labs
VAC
VTL & Manley
Verdier
Woodside/Radford

Where's Graff ?

OT - Everything is perfect
 

Keith G wrote:
"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On 24 Oct 2004 09:06:32 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:
........


Pilot?

Wot a fekkin' twerp!!

(About 35 years ago my mate's mum had a Spitfire, but she only *drove*
it....)

My wifes been in a real one years ago lucky sod

no one else flying it these days

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/707095.stm

:-(


--
Dave xxxx
www.davewhitter.myby.co.uk

Music is Art - Audio is Engineering
Steam is Fun

OT - Everything is perfect
 

Where's Graff ?
Married to McEnroe last I heard. Yes, I know, I can not be serious........

=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.

OT - Everything is perfect
 

"Dave xxxxx" wrote in message
. uk...
Mike Gilmour wrote:
"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Measurements vs. 'listening' arguments.

Valves vs. solid state arguments.

Analogue vs. 'digital' arguments.

Guess who's got nothing else in his 'armoury'....??

That would be you, would it not? I always use listening tests as the
final arbiter of excellence, I always acknowledge that there are a
few excellent valve amps around,

A few??? Apart from ARC, Prem 8 etc. it would be good to get your
comments on some of these manufacturers of valve amplifiers:
(& I've left out many of the current amp manufacturers otherwise it
will go on & on

Audio Note (ok we know already)
Audio Research "" "" )
Berning
Carver
Cary
Cochran
Convergent Audio
CJ (I think we know)
Counterpoint SA4
Dynaco
Ensemble
FM Acoustics
Jadis (I can guess)
Jovox
George Kaye (Nepenthe)
Klimo
Lazarus
Lectron
MFA
Melos
Milbert
Music Reference
Nestorovic Labs
Nobis
Pointsource
Quad
Quicksilver
Scientific Fidelity
Sheppard
Sonic Frontiers
Soundtech
Tube Research Labs
VAC
VTL & Manley
Verdier
Woodside/Radford

Where's Graff ?

I did say I'd left loads out

Ok start again with Graff then there's
T & A from Germany with their new V10

Marantz

Not forgetting those Chinese Icon amps
BAT

Musical Fidelity

Atma-sphere

AES

Unison

Wavac (we know already!!!)

That's going on 50 amplifier manufacturers for now, producing countless
valve power amplifier models and you inform us that there are just a 'few
excellent valve amps around'

I'm not going to add any comments here as the conclusion is obvious to all.

OT - Everything is perfect
 

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:32:17 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:
The amusing thing is that one or two of us have
imbued him (offlist) in the past with a 'fat, psychotic wife' and, I have
to
say, it's kinda ****ed up my enjoyment of the PF 'The Wall' DVDV that I've
got!! :-)

Now would be a very good time to walk away from that argument,
Garratt.


Really? Why is that then, Pinkerton?

(Walk away? Me? That *would* be a first... ;-)

If you want a little 'get-out' before your pudgy little fingertips start
writing a cheque your arse can't cash (again), rest assured we trust that
your wife isn't actually fat or psychotic - it just goes with the 'image',
IYSWIM. (In fact, it is generally agreed that she deserves a medal for a)
putting up with your bull**** and b) putting up with those fekkin' dire
speakers in the house....!! :-)

Apology accepted. But at 6'3" and 13 stone dripping wet, my fingers
aren't exactly pudgy! Old and wrinkly, certainly.... :-(

Of course, we understand that you have never heard speakers as good as
Apogee Duetta Signatures, so we'll just look at your own speakers and
chuckle about that one...............

OTOH, they're fekkin' *big*, I grant you!

Anyway, I think I'm about done with the clown and it would be good (but
not
*vital*....) to know that one or two others have also finally got fed up
with his never-ending bull****.

Unfortunately, you'll find that rational folks understand that the
bull**** comes from a quite different origin..............

That so?

Yes indeed - check any mirror, assuming that some in your house remain
uncracked.................

The very idea that valves and vinyl have no
place in an 'audio' newsgroup simply beggars belief. The suggestion that
anyone in the UK who enjoys/uses either or both should **** off to a
predominently US-centric group to discuss valves is the kind of towering
arrogance that, frankly, saddens me to see go unchallenged here for so
much
of the time.

Why would it *not* go unchallenged?

Thankfully, it looks like it is being challenged by one or two who haven't
just 'binned' you out of hand as so many do.

I see no rational challenges being made. Others, of course, simply
can't handle the truth.


And what is 'US-centric' about
amplifier design?

*Group* twister - 'US-centric *group*' as above....

Yes, it's a group about tube amplification. Why is that 'US-centric'?,
when the same devices are available everywhere? Do you consider
rec-audio.high-end to be 'US-centric'? Good sound is good sound,
whether in Boston Lincs or Boston MA.

Don't you guys all bow down before Western Electric
toobs?

****.

Twit.

Best of all is that the suggestion that valve (and/or vinyl)
users perform some public Act Of Contrition and 'admit their heresy' and all
will be forgiven and they will be 'permitted' to discuss either topic if the
'follow the rules'!!! Fekkin' priceless!!!

If you wouldn't keep trying to pretend that valves somehow retain
something that is lost with SS, that would be a start.

Oh, but they do...

See what I mean about bull****?
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

OT - Everything is perfect
 

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:34:31 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Come to think of it, I did once pilot a Spitfire, but I must admit it
was a mk 3, and its 1300cc engine put out a few less horses than a
27-litre Merlin..............................

Pilot?

Wot a fekkin' twerp!!

(About 35 years ago my mate's mum had a Spitfire, but she only *drove*
it....)

I see you had your sense of humour surgically removed, but OTOH I must
regrettably inform you that it did leave the ground a couple of times,
even cleared a hedge the second time! Ah, the joys of swing-axle rear
suspension.......................
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

OT - Everything is perfect
 

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:08:54 GMT, "Dave xxxxx"
wrote:

Mike Gilmour wrote:
"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Measurements vs. 'listening' arguments.

Valves vs. solid state arguments.

Analogue vs. 'digital' arguments.

Guess who's got nothing else in his 'armoury'....??

That would be you, would it not? I always use listening tests as the
final arbiter of excellence, I always acknowledge that there are a
few excellent valve amps around,

A few??? Apart from ARC, Prem 8 etc. it would be good to get your
comments on some of these manufacturers of valve amplifiers:
(& I've left out many of the current amp manufacturers otherwise it
will go on & on

Audio Note (ok we know already) - I don't use that kind of language!
Audio Research "" "" ) - mostly very good
Berning - dunno
Carver - crap
Cary - seriously crap
Cochran - dunno
Convergent Audio - dunno
CJ (I think we know) - mostly good
Counterpoint SA4 - not bad
Dynaco - mostly bad
Ensemble - dunno
FM Acoustics - dunno
Jadis (I can guess) - seriously crap
Jovox - dunno
George Kaye (Nepenthe) - dunno
Klimo - dunno
Lazarus - dunno
Lectron - dunno
MFA - dunno
Melos - preamps are excellent
Milbert - dunno
Music Reference - dunno
Nestorovic Labs - dodgy
Nobis - dunno
Pointsource - dunno
Quad - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation
Quicksilver - decent for valves but not great in general terms
Scientific Fidelity - never heard of 'em, but a dumb name for a valve amp maker
Sheppard - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation
Sonic Frontiers - good premps
Soundtech - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation
Tube Research Labs - there ain't no such thing..........
VAC - dunno
VTL & Manley - good rep, never heard them
Verdier - dunno
Woodside/Radford - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation

Where's Graff ?

And how could any serious valvey have left out Nagra?
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering