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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:11:30 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:


"Andy Evans" wrote in message
...
RAT is a good group.

I've lost track of the language between Phil Allison and Patrick Turner -
I
haven't read their posts for months! Then there were the great days of
Andre
Jute! We could haul out a few gems. The group has really gone dull
recently - I
think a few migrated to DIY audio, and the rest are in the Asylum where I
hang
out.

Ah yes, it must be nice to 'hang out' in a protected mutual
back-slapping environment, where the nasty bad DBT guys aren't allowed
to spoil the fantasy.....................

Yes of course there were/are factions. (Andre is back by the way, having
been paid a seven figure settlement by the Magnaquest Mob!!) He is
probably
counting in Italian Lira:-)

But the level of expertise seems to be higher on RAT, and less character
bashing. Maybe that's because owning and operating a valve system is
a more "hands on" experience.

Personally, I'd advise 'hands off', especially with power on!

I know of several clever, well informed audio people who watch
this group, but do not take part for fear of the flaming they might receive.
That's a great pity because it deprives us all of their knowledge.

What can be done?

Stop the valvies flaming people who are interested in *real* high
fidelity music reproduction? :-)
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:46:46 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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Indeed not, but r.a.t is largely a mutual congratulation society of
the terminally bewildered, so one would reasonably expect a higher
standard of politeness. Afdter all, there's no real venom in debating
the relative merits of pentodes and triodes, now is there? :-)

What a curious view you seem you have of the world, Stewart:-)
Why does debate have to be venomous?

Real hobbyists are passionate about the little details that separate
us from perfection. It's OCD heaven! :-)

My point was that there should be enough expertise on an NG
for people to help, ask questions and give advice, without risking flak
from your ubiquitous Spitfi-))

Um, Spits strafe, and it was the Hurry which was
ubiquitous................

No one, but no one, knows everything there is to know about
the subject, and that's why intelligent discussion, as opposed to
flaming, is so important.

Indeed so. Care to supply some?

Those few top-class valve amp which *do* sound just
like the input signal, seem like an incredible waste of money!

Sales of valve amps are increasing healthily, as more people
get to hear what they have been missing.

That's exactly the problem. Your typical valve amp *adds* something
that was never in the recording.

Of course, my Audi A6 3.0 Quattro does everything
better than an AS, except perhaps for that degree of 'presence' which
comes from owning something exotic and antique, even if of dire
performance by modern standards and needing constant maintenance.
Hmmm, I'm beginning to see a patternhere............

Your Quattro is a nice car. They use them for taxis in Stockholm.

Not the 3-litre petrol version, they don't! :-)

My brother in law drives an S6. That's a VERY nice
car. But boring as hell. He borrows the Armstrong often.

Yup, true high performance tends to be boring to those who don't
understand just how fast they are going. I see that the new 911 is
getting some flak for exactly that - nobody has been able to hang the
tail out!

BTW, always liked the old Sphinxmobiles, very rare these days but
definitely a *grand* form of transportation!

In the words of Duke Ellington:
"Ya gotta have class:-)

Or perhaps in the case of an audio amp, "You gotta have glass" :-))

Not if you want *real* preformance...............
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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"Iain M Churches" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Iain M Churches" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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OK, that's enough - there's room for only *one* wag in this group and
I'm *it*, so bugger off!

Sorry Keith:-)

I did na mean to step on your toes, Master of Wit and Repartee.
But SP has you all dancing. You looked as if you might need a bit
of support. This thread is pretty stormladen.


Yes, you're right - time to hand over to some fresh blood! :-)

(I think you might have to have a chat with Andy to see who gets the
'Group Wag and Bigot Basher' cap and badge though - he's off like a good
'un!! ;-)

I wonder why I always seem to take exception to what SP writes?


Because of the way he says it and the torrent of personal abuse that usually
accompanies it. Funnily enough, there has been a programme on the telly
about Tourette's Syndrome tonight. (Swim's a psychologist and watches all
that sort of stuff - I was playing Elgar and VW on vinyl.... ;-) I'm
seriously wondering if he's got a touch of that.....???


I try not
to:-) I am sure that deep down he is a nice chap, and kind to him Mum.


Well, if he's my age he'll be lucky to still have one.....


But, one has to keep these things in perspective, and a touch of humour
goes a long way. I suppose that we recording professionals should be
grateful to Stewart
for teaching us all how it is done?


:-)


I'm a relative 'nooby' to audio (returner, I suppose) so I have never been
in a position to judge, but the smell of bull**** just got stronger and
stronger in the time I have been subscribed here. I've been round the block
a couple of times and may know dick about recording, but I can spot a
bull****ter in crowd (at midnight, with my eyes shut, on a foggy day).....

No surprises really, every hobbyist group or organisation I've ever come
across has got its 'know-all' loser wanking out his dreams.....

(Me? I like a larf, valve amps and vinyl - oh, and movies with the full 5.1
'monty' on an 80 inch screen!! :-)

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Keith G wrote:
but I can spot a
bull****ter in crowd (at midnight, with my eyes shut, on a foggy day).....

Now whos the bul****ter?

Midnight on a foggy *DAY* ?

LOL ;-)

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Keith G wrote:

I'm a relative 'nooby' to audio (returner, I suppose) so I have never been
in a position to judge, but the smell of bull**** just got stronger and
stronger in the time I have been subscribed here.

I noticed that as well.

No surprises really, every hobbyist group or organisation I've ever come
across has got its 'know-all' loser wanking out his dreams.....

Only in the time you have been subscribed here.

--
Eiron.

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"Ian Molton" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:
but I can spot a
bull****ter in crowd (at midnight, with my eyes shut, on a foggy
day).....

Now whos the bul****ter?

Midnight on a foggy *DAY* ?

LOL ;-)



Wakey wakey, Molton.....

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"Eiron" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:

I'm a relative 'nooby' to audio (returner, I suppose) so I have never
been in a position to judge, but the smell of bull**** just got stronger
and stronger in the time I have been subscribed here.

I noticed that as well.

No surprises really, every hobbyist group or organisation I've ever come
across has got its 'know-all' loser wanking out his dreams.....

Only in the time you have been subscribed here.



Hmm, not sure why you should want to plunge headlong into my 'Blocked ****s'
bin, but who am I to argue?

Goodbye.

*plonk*

:-)

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:57:44 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , Mike Gilmour
wrote:

[snip list]

Where's Graff ?

I recorgnise a number of the names that were in the initial list. However
I'm not sure about 'Graff'.

He means Graaf, an Italian maker. I would have included Unison
Research, another Italian maker.

There was a valve amp reviewed in the hifi mags some while ago, and my
(unreliable) recollection is that it had an output impedance of over an
Ohm, and distortion levels over 1 percent and was a 'Graff' product. Is
this correct?

Quite likely.

That's going on 50 amplifier manufacturers for now, producing countless
valve power amplifier models and you inform us that there are just a
'few
excellent valve amps around'

Yup, since most of those you listed are severely limited by comparison
to any decent 500 quid SS amp, hence not 'excellent' by any reasonable
standard.

Most you didn't know about (Dunno) :-)

I'm not going to add any comments here as the conclusion is obvious to
all.

Well the only "obvious conclusion" I could draw from a list of names is
that
the numer anyone decided was "excellent" would depend upon the definition
they decided to use for that term... Particularly as it was a list of
brand names rather than models with relevant information.

Quite so.............

You are welcome to models if you so wish, but as you haven't heard of half
of them I'd really be wasting my time -I'd be better better to address a
real valve expert..

Whilst we are on the subject you stated in a post that your own system was
'as good as it gets' Now I would never never had said that because I've
heard better than mine that belongs to a multi millionaire with a large
castle here & no expense spared. Research is ongoing and your kit is also
very old. Your old 50W Krell was manufacturered off the back of the time
when Krell hit all the comix (with larger amps than yours) as being able to
drive a sub 1 ohm load & Krell was all the hype at the time and buzzword. I
also fell into the trap of buying a new KSA-100 MkII not realising they all
had etched treble that would ingrave steel, What a load of crap, I like many
others offloaded them quickly. IMO Krell only begun to get it right with the
KSA-250 and have improved since then. Try the later ones you may get a lot
closer to 'as good as it gets' sheez
Robbie the robots master named them anyway :-)

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:46:46 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
. ..

Indeed not, but r.a.t is largely a mutual congratulation society of
the terminally bewildered, so one would reasonably expect a higher
standard of politeness. Afdter all, there's no real venom in debating
the relative merits of pentodes and triodes, now is there? :-)

What a curious view you seem you have of the world, Stewart:-)
Why does debate have to be venomous?

Real hobbyists are passionate about the little details that separate
us from perfection. It's OCD heaven! :-)

My point was that there should be enough expertise on an NG
for people to help, ask questions and give advice, without risking flak
from your ubiquitous Spitfi-))

Um, Spits strafe, and it was the Hurry which was
ubiquitous................

No one, but no one, knows everything there is to know about
the subject, and that's why intelligent discussion, as opposed to
flaming, is so important.

Indeed so. Care to supply some?

Those few top-class valve amp which *do* sound just
like the input signal, seem like an incredible waste of money!

Sales of valve amps are increasing healthily, as more people
get to hear what they have been missing.

That's exactly the problem. Your typical valve amp *adds* something
that was never in the recording.

Of course, my Audi A6 3.0 Quattro does everything
better than an AS, except perhaps for that degree of 'presence' which
comes from owning something exotic and antique, even if of dire
performance by modern standards and needing constant maintenance.
Hmmm, I'm beginning to see a patternhere............

Your Quattro is a nice car. They use them for taxis in Stockholm.

Not the 3-litre petrol version, they don't! :-)

My brother in law drives an S6. That's a VERY nice
car. But boring as hell. He borrows the Armstrong often.

Yup, true high performance tends to be boring to those who don't
understand just how fast they are going. I see that the new 911 is
getting some flak for exactly that - nobody has been able to hang the
tail out!

Oh my god, you've got him started on cars - his multi inner-beings are now
showing a Clarkson ;-)

BTW, always liked the old Sphinxmobiles, very rare these days but
definitely a *grand* form of transportation!

In the words of Duke Ellington:
"Ya gotta have class:-)

Or perhaps in the case of an audio amp, "You gotta have glass" :-))

Not if you want *real* preformance...............
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...

Real hobbyists are passionate about the little details that separate
us from perfection. It's OCD heaven! :-)

So you are a hobbyist? That's fine.
I am pleased to read that you consider yourself close to perfection:-)
But "little details"? Can your sweeeping statements be interpreted
as such?

Your Quattro is a nice car. They use them for taxis in Stockholm.

Not the 3-litre petrol version, they don't! :-)

So you are an expert on the Stockholm taxi fleet also?
Are there no bounds to your wisdom?

My brother in law drives an S6. That's a VERY nice
car. But boring as hell. He borrows the Armstrong often.

Yup, true high performance tends to be boring to those who don't
understand just how fast they are going.

He has taken part four or five times in the "Jyvaskyla Rally" (The Rally
of a Thousand Lakes) in Finland. I would imagine he knows just how fast
he is going:-)


BTW, always liked the old Sphinxmobiles, very rare these days but
definitely a *grand* form of transportation!

Good. I am pleased there is something that meets your approval:-)
They were not common even back in the 50's.

In the words of Duke Ellington:
"Ya gotta have class:-)

Not if you want *real* preformance...............

How lucky we are to have you to put us all right when we stray from the
straight and narrow:-) The great minds of the music/record/ audio industry
can all sleep safely in their beds. I think a Fellowship of the AES is the
very
least you deserve (or has that honour already been endowed upon you?)

Cordially,

Iain