Cognitive dissonance?
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
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These rough and ready 'test clips' are recorded with two different mics,
one of which only arrived today and cost about *four times* the price of
the other, so is obviously much better; the only question is which is it -
A or B..??

(The mics stay with the same letter throughout and the 'Piano' clips are a
finger walk up and down the keyboard only - due to a badly buzzing
'string' making tunes impossible atm!)

Have fun!

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...son-ClartA.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...son-ClartB.wav


http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...son-PianoA.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...son-PianoB.wav


http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...rison-SaxA.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...rison-SaxB.wav


Answers on a postcard, but no fees will be paid, no contract is on
offer....

(As usual, I will reveal all if/when someone has had a go at it! :-)

Hmm- Most interesting. I am more used to doing AB tests
by switching between them, in "strategic" places. That way
the differences are clearly noticeable.

In both the case of the clnt and the alto saxophone,
I would say the Neumann is "A".

Since the tumer was here the other day the 'buzzing string' we have
had on the piano for some while has suddenly taken on new dimensions
and it makes playing a tune hideous, so I just did a 'finger walk'
up and down the keyboard!

Too weird to contemplate. Arnold Schoenberg has never been a
favourite of mine:-)

Iain

Cognitive dissonance?
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Wally" wrote in message
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Wally wrote:
If you're looking for musos for the UKRAnian All Stars, I might be
interested in having a bash at something.
Kinda depends on the tune - ie,
whether or not I can improvise something, and on whether I can play a
suitable instrument to a standard that's better than crap.


I thinks the tune depends upon what instruments/performers are available!

We can start with a solo instrument plus accompaniment, and the take
turns to play a chorus. We can also build sections now that we have two
saxophone players.

Hopefully Laurence will join us on slide trombone, but if not, I can find
a valve trombone player, but I shall insist that he posts at least once to
to this NG to make him a fully.fledged UKRAinian

I used to be decent at guitar until I stopped playing
about three years ago, I'm crap at piano, and I'm an unknown quantity on
MIDI keyboard plus old Hammond sound module (been meaning to set that up
and
plug it into a valve guitar amp to see how it sounds).


OK, so what do you think would be the best to have a go with? We live in
an 'endless multitracking age' so the more instruments the better, if you
are multi-facetted!! Iain's the Bandleader (as well as mixing engineer and
producer) - I'm sure he can scrape summat suitable together when he knows
what he's got to work with!

We have to work with what we've got: Clarinet, Alto saxophone, Tenor
saxophone, vibraphone, guitar(s) (one guitar player from Oz!!) plus
a trio backing track, piano drums and bass. The track can be edited to
accomodate as many guitar solos as we have players. I can also supply
written parts with chords if anyone want to play rhythm guitar.

I have a good song in mind, a jazz standard. Maybe this should
be the subject of a new thread.

Iain

Cognitive dissonance?
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:22:26 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

We're talking about the UKRAinian All Stars here - sinners, beginners,
learners and sundry other low-wage earners, not the bloody Philharmonic!!

I play like crap often enough by mistake, without SETTING OUT to play
like crap :-)

Laurence. That applies to all of us. But you have a huge advantage
in that you were once trained to professional standard.
The rest of us are just doing it for enjoyment.

It's all down to practice.
I have been playing tenor saxophone for only ten months, I
play in a big band where the other players, teachers etc have
been playing for 20/30 years. Some of the arrangements are very
difficult, Ellington, Kenton etc. They can all sight-read far better
than I. But I work on some of the current titles with my teacher
and when at band rehearsal we put up a title I have practiced, I
can play my part as well as anyone.

We are currently putting together a "dance folder". Some of
the evergreens, have pretty tough parts for saxophones, while
the trombones play beautiful chorale-type long notes:-)

Take a look at:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Pics/Image-10.jpg

It took me two weeks of practice every day to be able to
play bars 25-30. Difficult fngering for tenor saxophone.
Probably almost impossible on trombone?

Nobody's setting out to play crap, this first effort:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


Was indisputably the best bit of music *ever* posted here that was played
and recorded only by ukra subscribers, their friends and family in no less
than 3 different countries!!

Indeed:-))
This group has a rather "sedentary" reputation.
It would be good to see half a dozen or so people from this
group take part in the next effort.

Iain

Cognitive dissonance?
 

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:31:17 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:


"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:22:26 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

We're talking about the UKRAinian All Stars here - sinners, beginners,
learners and sundry other low-wage earners, not the bloody Philharmonic!!

I play like crap often enough by mistake, without SETTING OUT to play
like crap :-)

Laurence. That applies to all of us. But you have a huge advantage
in that you were once trained to professional standard.
The rest of us are just doing it for enjoyment.

It's all down to practice.
I have been playing tenor saxophone for only ten months, I
play in a big band where the other players, teachers etc have
been playing for 20/30 years. Some of the arrangements are very
difficult, Ellington, Kenton etc. They can all sight-read far better
than I. But I work on some of the current titles with my teacher
and when at band rehearsal we put up a title I have practiced, I
can play my part as well as anyone.

We are currently putting together a "dance folder". Some of
the evergreens, have pretty tough parts for saxophones, while
the trombones play beautiful chorale-type long notes:-)

Take a look at:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Pics/Image-10.jpg

It took me two weeks of practice every day to be able to
play bars 25-30. Difficult fngering for tenor saxophone.
Probably almost impossible on trombone?

Nobody's setting out to play crap, this first effort:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


Was indisputably the best bit of music *ever* posted here that was played
and recorded only by ukra subscribers, their friends and family in no less
than 3 different countries!!

Indeed:-))
This group has a rather "sedentary" reputation.
It would be good to see half a dozen or so people from this
group take part in the next effort.

Iain



This is one of the great things about music - that it comes to you in
stages. You learn to play the tunes long before you learn to play the
instrument. Then a great day comes when a new tune is less of a
challenge, simply because you are master of the instrument itself.

There is another way of learning, I suppose; technical exercises and
scales for months before you ever get to play an actual tune, but what
a joyless way of going about things that has to be.

d

Cognitive dissonance?
 

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:56:52 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

Treat yourself to a pair of these too
http://www.thomann.de/gb/the_tbone_em700_stereoset.htm


A colleague of mine has bought and returned several
pairs of T-Bones He said to me drily, "They last about
as long as a tank of diesel" The Neumann will outlast
us all

That's interesting. They seem to be the usual Chinese stuff, with a
Thomann label. Sometimes mediocre, sometimes surprisingly
interesting. What's the failure mode?

Funny thing, labels. Remember when Sony used to mean quality?

Cognitive dissonance?
 

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:31:17 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Pics/Image-10.jpg

It took me two weeks of practice every day to be able to
play bars 25-30. Difficult fngering for tenor saxophone.
Probably almost impossible on trombone?

Tricky, but possible for a good player. And there's a frightening
number of good players around :-)

Cognitive dissonance?
 

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:41:02 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote:

This is one of the great things about music - that it comes to you in
stages. You learn to play the tunes long before you learn to play the
instrument. Then a great day comes when a new tune is less of a
challenge, simply because you are master of the instrument itself.

There is another way of learning, I suppose; technical exercises and
scales for months before you ever get to play an actual tune, but what
a joyless way of going about things that has to be.

It doesn't have to be either/or. In musical "real life" you often
don't see the tune until the day of performance. So you hopefully go
in technically prepared. Other times you hone a solo performance over
days, weeks, even months (though it's quite rare to get THAT much time
between being asked to do it and having to come up with the goods:-)

Cognitive dissonance?
 

"Iain Churches" wrote


I thinks the tune depends upon what instruments/performers are available!

We can start with a solo instrument plus accompaniment, and the take
turns to play a chorus. We can also build sections now that we have two
saxophone players.


Blimey! I'll perhaps not say anything for a few days - not until she's had
the damn thing for a fortnight, anyway! :-)



Hopefully Laurence will join us on slide trombone,


Yes, I hope so. I'm certain he can do summat in the background if he's not
back on form, even after only a little bit of practice?


but if not, I can find
a valve trombone player, but I shall insist that he posts at least once to
to this NG to make him a fully.fledged UKRAinian


:-)



We have to work with what we've got: Clarinet, Alto saxophone, Tenor
saxophone, vibraphone, guitar(s) (one guitar player from Oz!!) plus
a trio backing track, piano drums and bass. The track can be edited to
accomodate as many guitar solos as we have players. I can also supply
written parts with chords if anyone want to play rhythm guitar.

I have a good song in mind, a jazz standard. Maybe this should
be the subject of a new thread.


Good idea.

Cognitive dissonance?
 

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:59:29 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

****! You want me to redecorate the living room as well??

Well, I was getting to that. It DOES sound a bit live.


Not surprising with floor to ceiling glass on two opposite walls!


Could you
manage carpets, bookshelves and some soft furnishings? Should break
the reflections up a bit.


Reflections...??

Cognitive dissonance?
 

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:56:52 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

Treat yourself to a pair of these too
http://www.thomann.de/gb/the_tbone_em700_stereoset.htm


A colleague of mine has bought and returned several
pairs of T-Bones He said to me drily, "They last about
as long as a tank of diesel" The Neumann will outlast
us all

That's interesting. They seem to be the usual Chinese stuff, with a
Thomann label. Sometimes mediocre, sometimes surprisingly
interesting. What's the failure mode?

Funny thing, labels. Remember when Sony used to mean quality?


Still does in my book - what makes you say that?