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Keith G wrote:

Wally, it sounds like you're getting into it nicely!!

Yep. :)

First test recording...

http://www.melodolic.com/Music/HammondTest-01.wav

Played direct into the separates minidisc gizmo, and then put the disk into
the portable player to record into Sound Forge (don't have a long cable).
Wasn't too fussed about levels - went for bouncy lights with no dodgy
colours. Each channel normalised in SF to -3dB.

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"Wally" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

Wally, it sounds like you're getting into it nicely!!

Yep. :)

First test recording...

http://www.melodolic.com/Music/HammondTest-01.wav

Played direct into the separates minidisc gizmo, and then put the disk
into
the portable player to record into Sound Forge (don't have a long cable).
Wasn't too fussed about levels - went for bouncy lights with no dodgy
colours. Each channel normalised in SF to -3dB.



Wow! That's a lovely powerful sound, Wally!

(Why am I thinking: 'letters I've written, never meaning to send'....???)

:-)

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:36:51 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

Not surprising with floor to ceiling glass on two opposite walls!

So remind me - you're buying expensive microphones to record in this
space WHY? :-)



Principally, to encourage my Significant Other to keep up with the
clarinet,
piano and now the alto sax - which was her idea alone!!

So all you really needed was a Neumann label? :-)


Ker-ching! :-)


You could have got
one that said "U87" and she'd have practiced even more!


If she practices enough maybe I'd get one!


You may find the difference is not that big for four
times the prices. It's the law of diminishing returns.
Better box though:-)

But I bet you that once you start to get to know your
Neumann, your other mics will please you less and less.

Iain

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:31:17 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:


"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:22:26 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

We're talking about the UKRAinian All Stars here - sinners, beginners,
learners and sundry other low-wage earners, not the bloody
Philharmonic!!

I play like crap often enough by mistake, without SETTING OUT to play
like crap :-)

Laurence. That applies to all of us. But you have a huge advantage
in that you were once trained to professional standard.
The rest of us are just doing it for enjoyment.

It's all down to practice.
I have been playing tenor saxophone for only ten months, I
play in a big band where the other players, teachers etc have
been playing for 20/30 years. Some of the arrangements are very
difficult, Ellington, Kenton etc. They can all sight-read far better
than I. But I work on some of the current titles with my teacher
and when at band rehearsal we put up a title I have practiced, I
can play my part as well as anyone.

We are currently putting together a "dance folder". Some of
the evergreens, have pretty tough parts for saxophones, while
the trombones play beautiful chorale-type long notes:-)

Take a look at:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Pics/Image-10.jpg

It took me two weeks of practice every day to be able to
play bars 25-30. Difficult fngering for tenor saxophone.
Probably almost impossible on trombone?

Nobody's setting out to play crap, this first effort:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GeorgiaM.mp3


Was indisputably the best bit of music *ever* posted here that was
played
and recorded only by ukra subscribers, their friends and family in no
less
than 3 different countries!!

Indeed:-))
This group has a rather "sedentary" reputation.
It would be good to see half a dozen or so people from this
group take part in the next effort.

Iain



This is one of the great things about music - that it comes to you in
stages. You learn to play the tunes long before you learn to play the
instrument. Then a great day comes when a new tune is less of a
challenge, simply because you are master of the instrument itself.

Yes indeed. There are many approaches. Many people can play
brilliantly without being "hampered by reading" as Errol Garner put
it. He said, "If I could read, I would know that Blue Moon is in Eb
and I would play it in that key. Now I play it in a key to suit the
mood. He then demonstrated by playing a chorus in each of the
twelve keys going round the circle of fifths!!

There is another way of learning, I suppose; technical exercises and
scales for months before you ever get to play an actual tune, but what
a joyless way of going about things that has to be.

That's very old school, and students, especially children, get bored
with that. I know I did:-) So these days teachers try to get new
players onto melody as soon as possible. It's a joy to see the
expression on the face of child who has only been his/her
instrument for a very short time and can play "Fly Me To
the Moon". After all it's no more than a major scale
but *much* more fun:-)


Iain

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:02:37 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:17:01 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:04:38 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

Is your Martin a D1?

How did you guess? It is the R version with the rosewood back.

It's the one I would have chosen:-)
Congratulations!'


And here it is.

Where?


Sorry, I'll put the light on

http://www.soundthoughts.co.uk/look/martin.jpg


'Tis a thing of beauty. Don't lend it to Pete Townshend:-)

Looking forward to hearing some snippets when you
are ready.

Iain

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"Keith G" wrote in message

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:56:52 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

Treat yourself to a pair of these too
http://www.thomann.de/gb/the_tbone_em700_stereoset.htm


A colleague of mine has bought and returned several
pairs of T-Bones He said to me drily, "They last about
as long as a tank of diesel" The Neumann will outlast
us all

That's interesting. They seem to be the usual Chinese
stuff, with a Thomann label. Sometimes mediocre,
sometimes surprisingly interesting. What's the failure
mode? Funny thing, labels. Remember when Sony used to mean
quality?


Still does in my book - what makes you say that?

It could well be personal experience. Sony farms out enough of their
manufacturing and design that they've lost control of everything but
features and front panel styling.

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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Treat yourself to a pair of these too
http://www.thomann.de/gb/the_tbone_em700_stereoset.htm

Hmm, $65 a pair SD condensers. If they work at all, it is almost a miracle.

OTOH I did a VO gig yesterday with a $40 LD condenser.

A colleague of mine has bought and returned several
pairs of T-Bones

Why did he return them?

He said to me drily, "They last about
as long as a tank of diesel"

Interesting. The first pair of mics I bought in recent times were MXL 603s,
which still seem to work just fine after at least 7 years. At one point I
owned 5 of them, but thieves took off with the matched pair in the nice
carrying case. They left the 3 that were lying around in plastic bags.

The Neumann will outlast us all.

They require repairs as well. At the price, they are far more likely to be
repaired than simply replaced.

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On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:44:52 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/the_tbone_em700_stereoset.htm

Hmm, $65 a pair SD condensers. If they work at all, it is almost a miracle.

OTOH I did a VO gig yesterday with a $40 LD condenser.


So your point is what? That you believe in miracles?




A colleague of mine has bought and returned several
pairs of T-Bones

Why did he return them?

He said to me drily, "They last about
as long as a tank of diesel"

Interesting.

More interesting when my query HOW they failed is answered.

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:36:51 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

Not surprising with floor to ceiling glass on two opposite walls!

So remind me - you're buying expensive microphones to record in this
space WHY? :-)



Principally, to encourage my Significant Other to keep up with the
clarinet,
piano and now the alto sax - which was her idea alone!!

So all you really needed was a Neumann label? :-)


Ker-ching! :-)


You could have got
one that said "U87" and she'd have practiced even more!


If she practices enough maybe I'd get one!


You may find the difference is not that big for four
times the prices. It's the law of diminishing returns.
Better box though:-)


There is always that and I'm not totally taken with the size and overall
appearance of the U87 - well OTT for my requirements, sad to say!!



But I bet you that once you start to get to know your
Neumann, your other mics will please you less and less.


Yes - 'cognitive dissonance' will eventually see to that, if nowt else!

My own curiosity has always made me try stuff for myself wherever possible
(controversial Chinese SETs were a fairly recent 'audio' example) and it
isn't really likely that the *rest of the world* is going to wrong about
these mics, but it doesn't/didn't stop me wanting to see (hear) for myself!

Then there's the 'Poo Factor' (pride of ownership) - I'm no more immune to
the (genuine) 'right label' than the next guy; it's just that I won't wear
clothing with the labels on the *outside*!!

:-)

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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:44:52 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
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Poor old Arny - I'm back on my old machine (since the BSN Mac Mini fell on
its arse) and all the 'Usual Suspects' are still in the ****ter! Try as I
might, I can't get Arny out of it (I had said I would probationise him and I
like to see his recording posts) - I 'remove' him from 'Blocked Senders' and
*bingo*, next thing, he's straight back in there!

The ****ter's gone 'self aware' and is fekk'n *power crazy*....!!!

Robo****ter....???

I, ****Bot....??

****erminator.....??

The mind boggles....

:-)




http://www.thomann.de/gb/the_tbone_em700_stereoset.htm

Hmm, $65 a pair SD condensers. If they work at all, it is almost a
miracle.

OTOH I did a VO gig yesterday with a $40 LD condenser.


So your point is what? That you believe in miracles?



Despite having recently become a Neumann owner (and therefore *far* too posh
to talk to the likes of you) my own experiences with some seriously cheap
Chinese mics tells me you can get a good result for notta lotta dosh with
the likes of CAD and Golden Age Projects.

Cheap or not so cheap, 90% of these mics come out of the same factory in
China (with different badges on), in any case:

http://www.797audio.com/


And I even have my suspicions about the true origins of 'Russian' capsules,
if appearances are anything to go by....??