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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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Have a listen to this, though. I've eq'd the Sax B sample to take out
the Octava honk, and now it really isn't a million miles from the
Neumann. What do you think? Not perfect because I only spent about
thirty seconds, but close enough for a comparison.

http://www.soundthoughts.co.uk/listen/SaxB_eq.wav

Yes. Good. I did the same with the AKG C1000 (the mic
which Arny claimed "sounds like ****") to imporve
the 5-9kHz region. I used a Neumann 184 as a reference.

But in Keith's sample the Neumann is so much cleaner
than the Octava. You can't correct that with EQ.


Iain

Cognitive dissonance?
 

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:37:05 +0200, "Iain Churches"
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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I now have another kind of holy trinity. Gibson SG, Fender Strat (both
from the 1960s), and now the Martin.

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Obviously it isn't played in yet, and it is all stiff as anything, but
here's why I bought it. A little "Stairway" seemed right.

http://www.soundthoughts.co.uk/listen/martin.wav

The mic is a Rode NT1-A three feet away, pointed at the body end of
the fingerboard. I'll post a pic later - my camera battery is down
right now.


Three feet? Sounds like 10cms! Good bold projection.
How long will it take to play in?


Ah well, a good mic, and I hung a winter weight goose down duvet a few
feet behind it to minimize the room (my study is already pretty well
damped). I reckon about a month for the guitar, and another couple for
me.

Just thinking, if this is a "sunny day" purchase, it's a good
thing you don't live in Kap Verde :-))


I'd rather Norkapp, actually. I'm a winter person, but I do like sun -
contradictory or what?

d

Cognitive dissonance?
 

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:37:57 +0200, "Iain Churches"
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:02:29 +0200, "Iain Churches"
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:30:34 +0000, Laurence Payne

Just celebrated it being a sunny day by popping down to Denmark Street
and buying myself an acoustic guitar. I tried a load that sounded dull
as ditchwater, then the chap went into the back and brought out a
Martin - *******. I'm now quite a bit poorer, but boy does it sound
nice.

Great, Don.

To my ear, Martin is one of the holy trinity:
"Guild, and Olson and holy Martin"

Nice way to celebrate a sunny day:-)

Iain


I don't know the Olson sound,

Verty distinctive, especially with alternative tunings.
James Taylor plays Olson.


Just tried the Martin in dropped D - oh my, that really sings.

but I'll take your word for it, but as
you say, for the rest Guild and Martin are up at the top.

The choice of so many session players.

I tried
loads that begin with a T, Turner, Taylor, Takamine, Tanglewood and
they were all in the same mould, a bit safe with nothing to frighten
the horses.

All good but a little bland?


Very. Competent but dull.


I now have another kind of holy trinity. Gibson SG, Fender Strat (both
from the 1960s), and now the Martin.

My holy trinity was for acoustics.
There must be an ht for electric too? Strat has to be there
right in themiddle. What might the other two be?
Rickenbacker, Gibson?


The Gibson for sure. Maybe one of the boutique electrics like a Pensa
Sur for the other. Not enough people have one of those to make it a
classic though. Mark Knopfler seems to do nice things with his.

d

Cognitive dissonance?
 

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:42:20 +0200, "Iain Churches"
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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Have a listen to this, though. I've eq'd the Sax B sample to take out
the Octava honk, and now it really isn't a million miles from the
Neumann. What do you think? Not perfect because I only spent about
thirty seconds, but close enough for a comparison.

http://www.soundthoughts.co.uk/listen/SaxB_eq.wav

Yes. Good. I did the same with the AKG C1000 (the mic
which Arny claimed "sounds like ****") to imporve
the 5-9kHz region. I used a Neumann 184 as a reference.

But in Keith's sample the Neumann is so much cleaner
than the Octava. You can't correct that with EQ.


That's true. I had an email conversation with Ty Ford, a mic guru on
rap a few years ago about the NT1-A and the TLM103 (coincidentally). I
reckoned they were close enough in sound that I could make them
indistinguishable with only minor eq. We used voice rather than an
instrument - a much tougher test to pass - but he agreed in the end,
with my eq curve it was impossible to tell them apart.

d

Cognitive dissonance?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:37:57 +0200, "Iain Churches"
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:02:29 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:30:34 +0000, Laurence Payne

Just celebrated it being a sunny day by popping down to Denmark Street
and buying myself an acoustic guitar. I tried a load that sounded dull
as ditchwater, then the chap went into the back and brought out a
Martin - *******. I'm now quite a bit poorer, but boy does it sound
nice.

Great, Don.

To my ear, Martin is one of the holy trinity:
"Guild, and Olson and holy Martin"

Nice way to celebrate a sunny day:-)

Iain


I don't know the Olson sound,

Verty distinctive, especially with alternative tunings.
James Taylor plays Olson.


Just tried the Martin in dropped D - oh my, that really sings.

Good. The UKRAinians have a seat vacant for you,
Highgate and Hampstead's very own Freddy Green:-)

My holy trinity was for acoustics.
There must be an ht for electric too? Strat has to be there
right in themiddle. What might the other two be?
Rickenbacker, Gibson?


The Gibson for sure. Maybe one of the boutique electrics like a Pensa
Sur for the other. Not enough people have one of those to make it a
classic though. Mark Knopfler seems to do nice things with his.

There are of course lots of boutique acoustic makers,
whose guitars seem to start at Euro 3k, But I don't
really think its fair to include those in the general list.

Is your Martin a D1?

Iain

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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:04:38 +0200, "Iain Churches"
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Is your Martin a D1?

How did you guess? It is the R version with the rosewood back.

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Cognitive dissonance?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:04:38 +0200, "Iain Churches"
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Is your Martin a D1?

How did you guess? It is the R version with the rosewood back.

It's the one I would have chosen:-)
Congratulations!'

Iain

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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:21:50 -0000, "Keith G"
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Well, I was getting to that. It DOES sound a bit live.


Not surprising with floor to ceiling glass on two opposite walls!

So remind me - you're buying expensive microphones to record in this
space WHY? :-)



Principally, to encourage my Significant Other to keep up with the clarinet,
piano and now the alto sax - which was her idea alone!!

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote


Yes, indeed it is and B is my Oktava MK319:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...mannTLM102.jpg

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...ktavaMK319.jpg

Interesting thread/demo/comparison.


Just another attempt to spark of a bit of interest and liveliness in the
group!!



When you get to know the Neumann, you will
appreciate its clean warm sound more and more
The Oktava doesn't come near it.

You made an excellent choice.


Thanks - I'm pretty sure I have and am looking forward to 'discovering' it,
but it's always interesting to me to hear the opinions of others! A thumbs
up is nice to get but nevr an essential for me!!

I already know what the press and 'Internet forums' say and I do not suffer
with 'cognitive dissonance' myself - if I buy expensive crap, I *know* it's
expensive crap!!

(And usually unload it on eBay!! :-)

Cognitive dissonance?
 

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:17:01 +0200, "Iain Churches"
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:04:38 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

Is your Martin a D1?

How did you guess? It is the R version with the rosewood back.

It's the one I would have chosen:-)
Congratulations!'


And here it is. You can just see the corner of the stool I was sitting
on to record that piece, so that gives you the distance. The duvet
wasn't fallen down when I did the recording, by the way. A bit of my
Fender Jazz bass is just visible too, forgot about that one.

d