What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

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Keith G wrote:
(Hint: I have never yet *sold* a pair of speakers! ;-)

Set the reserve lower then. Even firewood has a value.

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What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Ignore Plowie, he's only repeating my reports of the *one* person (Pat
the ****) who has been here for virtually every build has gone 'wow'
and left muttering that he will build a pair of the last speakers he's
heard!

Your memory must be playing tricks.

Somewhere in the depths of that email prog you don't understand there
should be a log of all the posts you've sent. Try reading them again.
You've mentioned all sorts of people being amazed by your latest creation.
Be it speaker, amp or whatever.

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What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Serge Auckland" wrote

Keith,

You own a pair of Rogers BBC studio Monitors and you're persisting with
your single driver horns?

Staggered


Why?

The SMs were fine (I thought so - others were not so impressed) but they had
a problem - one of the bass drivers rubbed and I couldn't cure it with
rotating it, so I swapped it with the already-mentioned P the T for a pair
of B&W DM2As which are what got me into TL/'horn' speakers. (Dave at DK
Loudspeakers was quoting about 140 quid to do both bass units at the time
and also bitching about the build quality of SF speakers...) He couldn't
cure them either, so he ended up putting them in a local auction and got 20
quid for them. They turned up on eBay (someone emailed me) and went for 352
quid....!!

(We don't call him P the T for nothing!! ;-)

But what bothers me is the 'they are Rogers, so they *must* be good*
implication here....??

Now, I mentioned how 'topical' this group always seems to be - I've just now
had this spam in:

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See what I mean?

:-)

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

Keith G wrote:
"Serge Auckland" wrote

Keith,

You own a pair of Rogers BBC studio Monitors and you're persisting with
your single driver horns?

Staggered


Why?

The SMs were fine (I thought so - others were not so impressed) but they had
a problem - one of the bass drivers rubbed and I couldn't cure it with
rotating it, so I swapped it with the already-mentioned P the T for a pair
of B&W DM2As which are what got me into TL/'horn' speakers. (Dave at DK
Loudspeakers was quoting about 140 quid to do both bass units at the time
and also bitching about the build quality of SF speakers...) He couldn't
cure them either, so he ended up putting them in a local auction and got 20
quid for them. They turned up on eBay (someone emailed me) and went for 352
quid....!!

(We don't call him P the T for nothing!! ;-)

But what bothers me is the 'they are Rogers, so they *must* be good*
implication here....??

What I meant was that all the BBC monitor 'speakers were excellent,
considering the application they were intended for. No, I've never liked
the LS3/5A for music, not enough bass, top or loudness, but perfect for
speech monitoring in OB vans. The larger BBC monitors, I would have
thought, would be perfect for your taste in music, leaning to the
classical, and from vinyl.


Now, I mentioned how 'topical' this group always seems to be - I've just now
had this spam in:

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mailinglist.

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See what I mean?

:-)

Funny how that happens. By the way, with your considerable woodworking
skills, I thought you might like to have a go at a pair of transmission
line 'speakers. They'll need a bit more welly than your horns, but you
should find the bass smoother and treble less "crunchy"

S.

S.

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Ignore Plowie, he's only repeating my reports of the *one* person (Pat
the ****) who has been here for virtually every build has gone 'wow'
and left muttering that he will build a pair of the last speakers he's
heard!

Your memory must be playing tricks.

Somewhere in the depths of that email prog you don't understand there
should be a log of all the posts you've sent. Try reading them again.
You've mentioned all sorts of people being amazed by your latest creation.
Be it speaker, amp or whatever.



I've only ever posted like it *is* (or was) and I'm sure many here have
quietly larfed their arses off - the difference betwen them and you is that
it doesn't seem to bother them as much...??

(But then, they probably don't consider that the entire world is sitting,
waiting with baited breath, for their *wisdom*....?? ;-)

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Many of the very best commercial designs use carefully chosen and
controlled materials for the cabinets. The principle behind this is
you can't eliminate all resonances so incorporate them as part of the
design. The Spendor BC1 being a prime example - and it's by no means
the only one. The home maker simply hasn't the facilities for such
choices - even MDF varies from one maker to another.


Hmm...

I thought you were too busy to reply to my crap....??

You need to try reading what is said rather than assuming. I was too busy
to do more than skim through your tracts. They tend to be very long...

Anyway, do stop trying to make yourself look good by telling me stuff I
(and most everyone else here) already know - I'm well aware of the
different approaches to cabinet resonances adopted by different makers
and have even had a pair of 'thinwall' Rogers BBC Studio Monitors here,
myself. I've told you before (only recently) - there's nothing you know
that I either don't know already or need to know, OK?

Please realise that posts on here aren't just to you personally. They are
a contribution to a general debate. As I've said before, it isn't your
personal group - much as you wish it was or try and make it.

As to consistency of components and materials used in speaker
manufacturer - tell me you *wouldn't* prefer a pair of speakers with
consecutive serial numbers....??

You clearly haven't seen decent speakers being made.

(But then, I don't even need to know that....!! :-)

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What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

In article ,
Serge Auckland wrote:
You own a pair of Rogers BBC studio Monitors and you're persisting with
your single driver horns?

Staggered

It's sort of been my point all along. You name an industry 'standard' and
Mr G has owned it and said it's crap. So his home brew must be very
powerful stuff. ;-)

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What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

In article ,
Serge Auckland wrote:
What I meant was that all the BBC monitor 'speakers were excellent,
considering the application they were intended for. No, I've never liked
the LS3/5A for music, not enough bass, top or loudness, but perfect for
speech monitoring in OB vans.

For domestic use I'd describe them as ideal bedroom speakers. They acquit
themselves well on all types of music as well as speech - at low to
moderate levels. But they do seem to need a decent amp to drive them -
perhaps more so than other similar sized/power handling designs.

The larger BBC monitors, I would have thought, would be perfect for
your taste in music, leaning to the classical, and from vinyl.

I'm sticking with my 5/8s till something better comes along.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:
"Serge Auckland" wrote

Keith,

You own a pair of Rogers BBC studio Monitors and you're persisting with
your single driver horns?

Staggered


Why?

The SMs were fine (I thought so - others were not so impressed) but they
had a problem - one of the bass drivers rubbed and I couldn't cure it
with rotating it, so I swapped it with the already-mentioned P the T for
a pair of B&W DM2As which are what got me into TL/'horn' speakers. (Dave
at DK Loudspeakers was quoting about 140 quid to do both bass units at
the time and also bitching about the build quality of SF speakers...) He
couldn't cure them either, so he ended up putting them in a local auction
and got 20 quid for them. They turned up on eBay (someone emailed me) and
went for 352 quid....!!

(We don't call him P the T for nothing!! ;-)

But what bothers me is the 'they are Rogers, so they *must* be good*
implication here....??

What I meant was that all the BBC monitor 'speakers were excellent,
considering the application they were intended for. No, I've never liked
the LS3/5A for music, not enough bass, top or loudness, but perfect for
speech monitoring in OB vans. The larger BBC monitors, I would have
thought, would be perfect for your taste in music, leaning to the
classical, and from vinyl.


I said I *did* like them (lovely top end) but the rasping bass couldn't be
ignored. The strange thing is nobody else liked them much, it seems!!??

Mark Hennessy still has them on his website - scroll down about halfway
he

http://www.mhennessy1.f9.co.uk/rogers/others.htm

until you hit the speaker standing on our ratty old kitchen table (my indoor
workbench) and a photo of the serial plate and you will see the innards with
the loopy great crossovers I mentioned the other day!

Also plenty of other good stuff about Rogers he

http://www.mhennessy1.f9.co.uk/rogers/index.htm


snip WA spam


See what I mean?

:-)

Funny how that happens.



Funnier still is that Nick emailed me to say anybody clicking on the link
would subscribe me - moments *after* another WA email to tell me I *was*
subscribed!! :-)

(I wonder who it was...?? :-)



By the way, with your considerable woodworking
skills, I thought you might like to have a go at a pair of transmission
line 'speakers. They'll need a bit more welly than your horns, but you
should find the bass smoother and treble less "crunchy"


See previous - the speakers that got me into it all were the dreadfully
insensitive DM2As, but they were fine on the triodes in my small room!
However, a pair of summat different is in the offing for the new year, when
I can slide them into my (greatly restricted) spending schedule!! (Even 'in
valves' I can lay 60 wpc to a pair of speakers!!)

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Serge Auckland wrote:
What I meant was that all the BBC monitor 'speakers were excellent,
considering the application they were intended for. No, I've never liked
the LS3/5A for music, not enough bass, top or loudness, but perfect for
speech monitoring in OB vans.

For domestic use I'd describe them as ideal bedroom speakers. They acquit
themselves well on all types of music as well as speech - at low to
moderate levels. But they do seem to need a decent amp to drive them -
perhaps more so than other similar sized/power handling designs.

I'm surprised at this comment as I thought they were an easy load, and
would work on most things. I've heard them on countless HH Electronics
amps (seems to have been a BH standard issue) Quad 303s and even the
occasional Quad II. I understand what you mean as ideal bedroom
'speakers, I suppose they would be pretty good for that. I did once do a
demo at NTL's Croydon facility where they provide a pair of LS3/5As with
their add-on subwoofer. That was actually a rather nice combination, and
made them much more universal in application.


The larger BBC monitors, I would have thought, would be perfect for
your taste in music, leaning to the classical, and from vinyl.

I'm sticking with my 5/8s till something better comes along.


You may have to wait a long time.

S.