What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message

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"Keith G" wrote in message


OK, here we go - this is the setup:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...Setup%2001.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...Setup%2002.JPG

and here is the track:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...,%20SE1As).mp3

...and here's the Lowther track again for direct
comparison (if anyone else is interested):

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track10.mp3

Missing - track10 from the original source.



Here you go:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...0In%20Love.mp3

...seein's as how ya arst so nice like....

Clipped to blue blazes. Is that what you played through
the speakers?

Yes and no - that's a straight computer CD to HDD rip via
Sound Forge (in the normal manner, done some time back),

Good enough.

what I played (and recorded yesterday and today) was the
*original* CD (in two different Pioneer DVDPs)....???

Probably much the same was coming out of the optical players.

Weird - my 'open mic' recordings are better (levelswise)
than the computer rip...???

No, but the frequency response variations make the clipped signals appear to
be unclipped. I've seen this many times. The same is true of compression.
Highly compressed songs will lose their flat envelope look (and to some
degree their flat sound) if you apply some eq.

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

Keith G wrote:
"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:13:20 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:32:40 GMT, (Don Pearce)
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:22:36 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

Fark....

Dolphin? (Nusystems will always price-match, I gather!!)

Are you getting the shockmounts with them?
Yup, shockmounts are included, and the soft bag. I have plenty of old
cases I can put them in, so I'm not fussed about that - or cables, I
them coming out of ears.


I also don't need extra cables and pop filters but I never turn down
freebies...!! :-)

I've emailed Arny's mates for a price to the UK (I don't have too many
suitable cases)

http://www.digitalplayroom.com/cgi-b...micsrodent1amp

but expect the shipping will kill it! (The weight of the freebie cables, I
expect! :-)

Don't forget the dreaded import duty either.


Oh, **** - I did forget that....

:-)


And don't forget 17.5% VAT on the *total* price, goods, carriage and any
duty. My understanding is that UK Customs don't bother to collect VAT
on items worth less than £ 100 ex VAT. I once got caught with a set of
DVDs from the US, the cost was £102 or thereabouts, and I got a bill for
the VAT. Duty is normally only a few percent, often zero, but some
strange items can be very high. For example, at one time a tape recorder
was zero rated whilst a tape player was 18%. All the NAB cart machines
we imported were record versions.......

S.

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
If the harmonics from a musical instrument were unimportant then top C
from a piano would sound exactly the same as from a violin. Of course
perhaps they do on your setup...

Didn't take you long, did it...??

Perfectly valid comment given your love of devices which alter the
harmonic content of a signal.

You can't have it both ways, dear boy. ;-)


snip silly sig yet again...



Really? That'll be Rule Number what from the 'Plowman's Intergalactic Guide
To Pub Lunches And How It Is'....??

Here's one from my very own wipe-clean, laminated plastic set of 'How To
Scrape By Without Having To Get Too Far In' handy hint cards:

No. 3 - "Try to resist grabbing *every single* opportunity to make yourself
look a tit and you'll probably win greater respect from your fellow
man/other posters in this group....!!"

(Asitappens, if you had been following today's fun and games with my
recordings of *both* my triode/horn and ss/ordinary speaker setups you'd
have maybe twigged I've already *got it* both ways....?? ;-)

Er....

*Dear boy*.... ;-)

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message

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OK, here we go - this is the setup:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...Setup%2001.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...Setup%2002.JPG

and here is the track:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...,%20SE1As).mp3

...and here's the Lowther track again for direct
comparison (if anyone else is interested):

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track10.mp3

Missing - track10 from the original source.



Here you go:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...0In%20Love.mp3

...seein's as how ya arst so nice like....

Clipped to blue blazes. Is that what you played through
the speakers?

Yes and no - that's a straight computer CD to HDD rip via
Sound Forge (in the normal manner, done some time back),

Good enough.

what I played (and recorded yesterday and today) was the
*original* CD (in two different Pioneer DVDPs)....???

Probably much the same was coming out of the optical players.

Weird - my 'open mic' recordings are better (levelswise)
than the computer rip...???

No, but the frequency response variations make the clipped signals appear
to be unclipped. I've seen this many times. The same is true of
compression. Highly compressed songs will lose their flat envelope look
(and to some degree their flat sound) if you apply some eq.



OK, that's very interesting.

I routinely rip each and every CD that comes my way and a lot of them are
painted the same colour (blue in SF) all the way from *ceiling to floor*
these days and I've long since stopped noticing it!!

Aside, I contacted your link on the Rode mics and got a shipping price of
52+ bucks and notification of a very *helpful* 'standard value' that is put
on the packaging in 'export' circumstances..!!??

Probably still going to stack up uneconomic (oops - little pun there)
though....

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Serge Auckland" wrote


And don't forget 17.5% VAT on the *total* price, goods, carriage and any
duty. My understanding is that UK Customs don't bother to collect VAT on
items worth less than £ 100 ex VAT. I once got caught with a set of DVDs
from the US, the cost was £102 or thereabouts, and I got a bill for the
VAT. Duty is normally only a few percent, often zero, but some strange
items can be very high. For example, at one time a tape recorder was zero
rated whilst a tape player was 18%. All the NAB cart machines we imported
were record versions.......


Of course.... :-)

I've contacted the outfit on the link Arny posted and they've quoted 52 odd
bucks UPS Air Parcel and said that they mark all such overseas shipments at
a helpful price (about half) but I'll have to see how it stacks up - I ain't
got all the spare kit/cases Don's got and wouldn't sniff at a pair of
freebie 20' cables - I got stoked about 30 quid a go for the 10' cables I've
got...!!

(No need for pop filters either, but you never know with 'plosives' - I just
might get the job of recording a nice little local Bimbo Band...!! ;-)

Anyway, it still hangs on cashflow atm....

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:55:13 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Well, we both know that with its max SPL rating of something like 137 dB,
the diaphragm mostly never does that.

However, its 13.7 dBu maximum undistorted output might just clip some lesser
line inputs! ;-)


With self-powered mics I frequently use them straight on the line-in
sockets; I've made a few adaptors just for that job. Never been
anywhere loud enough to overload them though - not sure I'd
particularly want to either.

But there's plenty of things you can record into line-in with about
20dB of headroom left. That makes for a perfectly acceptable recording
in my books.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

In article ,
Serge Auckland wrote:
Don't forget the dreaded import duty either.


Oh, **** - I did forget that....


And don't forget 17.5% VAT on the *total* price, goods, carriage and any
duty.

Plus admin fee from the PO.

--
*It is easier to get older than it is to get wiser.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

In article ,
Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:
If the harmonics from a musical instrument were unimportant then
top C from a piano would sound exactly the same as from a violin.
Of course perhaps they do on your setup...

Didn't take you long, did it...??

Perfectly valid comment given your love of devices which alter the
harmonic content of a signal.

You can't have it both ways, dear boy. ;-)


snip silly sig yet again...

That's what the sig separator is there for - if you know how to configure
your newsreader.

Really? That'll be Rule Number what from the 'Plowman's Intergalactic
Guide To Pub Lunches And How It Is'....??

Here's one from my very own wipe-clean, laminated plastic set of 'How To
Scrape By Without Having To Get Too Far In' handy hint cards:

No. 3 - "Try to resist grabbing *every single* opportunity to make
yourself look a tit and you'll probably win greater respect from your
fellow man/other posters in this group....!!"

So you don't think you've made yourself look a fool by saying harmonics
don't matter? Because I've got news for you. They are the very essence of
music. Without them it would be pretty boring.

(Asitappens, if you had been following today's fun and games with my
recordings of *both* my triode/horn and ss/ordinary speaker setups you'd
have maybe twigged I've already *got it* both ways....?? ;-)

I've not been following your latest blog, no. Haven't got the time to
waste.

--
*A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it uses up a thousand times more memory.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Serge Auckland wrote:
Don't forget the dreaded import duty either.


Oh, **** - I did forget that....


And don't forget 17.5% VAT on the *total* price, goods, carriage and any
duty.

Plus admin fee from the PO.


??

Thought you said you were too busy to follow my blog....??

confused...

??


And still **** the stoopid sig:


--
*It is easier to get older than it is to get wiser.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:
If the harmonics from a musical instrument were unimportant then
top C from a piano would sound exactly the same as from a violin.
Of course perhaps they do on your setup...

Didn't take you long, did it...??

Perfectly valid comment given your love of devices which alter the
harmonic content of a signal.

You can't have it both ways, dear boy. ;-)


snip silly sig yet again...

That's what the sig separator is there for - if you know how to configure
your newsreader.



I've got *configure* my newsreader to delete your silly sig?

I don't think so....



Really? That'll be Rule Number what from the 'Plowman's Intergalactic
Guide To Pub Lunches And How It Is'....??

Here's one from my very own wipe-clean, laminated plastic set of 'How To
Scrape By Without Having To Get Too Far In' handy hint cards:

No. 3 - "Try to resist grabbing *every single* opportunity to make
yourself look a tit and you'll probably win greater respect from your
fellow man/other posters in this group....!!"

So you don't think you've made yourself look a fool by saying harmonics
don't matter? Because I've got news for you.



Actually not - there isn't *anything* you think you might know that I need
to know from you.

(Hope that isn't too *devastating* for you?? :-)



They are the very essence of
music. Without them it would be pretty boring.



Tell you what - could you give me a little notice of the things I'm about to
say and I'll get some snappy replies roughed out in readiness....???



(Asitappens, if you had been following today's fun and games with my
recordings of *both* my triode/horn and ss/ordinary speaker setups you'd
have maybe twigged I've already *got it* both ways....?? ;-)

I've not been following your latest blog, no. Haven't got the time to
waste.



Ooh dear, let's not *kid* ourselves, shall we....??

:-)


**** the sig.....


--
*A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it uses up a thousand times
more memory.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.