What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:16:43 -0000, "Keith G"
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:22:47 -0000, "Keith G"
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Also, what do you reckon to this little bugger:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...0656&rd=1&rd=1

Seems to be a convenient package. It looks neat.

Self-noise is actually high enough to be of concern.

For half the price I'd have a pair of Rhode NT1A, which I indeed already
have. Quieter, and probably smoother.



Hmm, my favourite supplier has them listed:

http://www.nusystems.co.uk/product/R...A.Matched.Pair


Very appealing - noted, bookmarked and *targetted*....

(So much stuff needed, so little money....!! :-(


Dolphin have them at £119 each.


OK - even better yet!!


Forget matched pairs - they are all
plenty well matched.


The only thing that appeals to me with 'matched pairs' is you usually tend
to get the shockmounts and wind thingies thrown in and all in a nice little
flight case if you're lucky, from what I have seen...?

Otherwise, I'm not bothered - although the Oktavas are not a pair and we
know where that has led us, don't we...???

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:42:23 -0000, "Keith G"
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"Don Pearce" wrote


Plenty of bass on the Ruarks; in fact for smoothness and generally
nice sound they have it by a mile from the other two. There is a
series of low bass notes at about 35Hz. They are there quite nicely on
the Ruarks, while on the other two they have simply vanished, although
there is something there at 70Hz that seems to have replaced them

For me that is a non-contest. The Ruarks have it by miles.



Gor blimey, guvnah - yer could of knocked me dahn wiv a fevver!! I wuz
*certain* you choose the others!!

(Only kidding, of course!! :-)

But let's get back on track here - it's the *treble* we're interested in,
no-one's claimimg horns can match (or even compete) with speakers like the
Paladins on bass!! What do say about the *treble*...??? (It's 'extremes'
both ends that started this little lot off!!)


If it's treble we're talking about, god yes - get those Ruarks back
in. They are smoother by miles than the horns. I know they will take
some getting used to because you are used to mega brightness, but it
will be worth the effort. The bass sounds nice too; I can actually
hear it.

Anyway, so what do I do now - drag the Ruarks back into my pokey little room
(back to where I was 5 years ago) lose all my clarity and depth and start
*wading* through the bass again...?? (Not to mention how they'll slop around
hanging off my triodes.....!! ;-)


You never know - we may even civilize you in that department too...



The recordings are much better, too :-)


Yes, I thought so - easier to control levels with proper pre's than on the
computer only, as in the early days!!

(I need all the encouragement I can get - there's one or two here got
absolutely nothing better to do than hang around with their dicks out,
waiting to give me a good *hosing*, it seems!! ;-)



I won't lose too much sleep - I think you probably give as good as you
get.

Incidentally I've just ordered a pair of those NT1-A's for myself -
they look very handy.

d

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What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Serge Auckland" wrote


When I heard the Ruarks myself at Keith's, they were clearly better to my
ears than the horns, much more what I'm used to. Not as "exciting"
perhaps, but a lot less coloured, and with properly extended bass and good
treble.



You are not alone, others have made the same choice but the 'horns' have
come on a bit since you were here - I finally gave up on the Jerichos only a
few days ago and am settling on the (In)Fidelios with Lowther drivers for
the time being. Lowthers themselves being a definite 'cut above' the drivers
you heard also....

(The Pinkies still do sterling service on CD, the radio and TV... :-)

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:48:02 -0000, "Keith G"
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The only thing that appeals to me with 'matched pairs' is you usually tend
to get the shockmounts and wind thingies thrown in and all in a nice little
flight case if you're lucky, from what I have seen...?

Otherwise, I'm not bothered - although the Oktavas are not a pair and we
know where that has led us, don't we...???


Well, they were a mirrored pair. I think you can rest easy with Rode,
though - they don't share the unfortunate reputation of the Oktavas -
also they don't have transformers, which is where I'd put money the
confusion happened.

d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote


Here's my frequency analysis of the Paladin and the other speaker
(Lowther?). It scans the whole file, so it isn't just a snapshot. The
difference is clear - top end as well as bass.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/kspkr/paladin.gif
http://81.174.169.10/odds/kspkr/other.gif



OK, got those - thanks!

Bass - yes, top end - yes maybe in the pix, no in real life I would say.
Unless a harder, more 'brittle' bass is what is generally considered to be
better?

I'll play both the recordings back to back a bit later and see if I can get
a clearer picture, but I don't think I would pick the Paladin's treble from
what I've heard here....??

(Bear in mind, the Paladins are my *pick of the bunch* from the long stream
of speakers that have been through here during the last few years and are
definite keepers....)

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:59:14 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


Here's my frequency analysis of the Paladin and the other speaker
(Lowther?). It scans the whole file, so it isn't just a snapshot. The
difference is clear - top end as well as bass.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/kspkr/paladin.gif
http://81.174.169.10/odds/kspkr/other.gif



OK, got those - thanks!

Bass - yes, top end - yes maybe in the pix, no in real life I would say.
Unless a harder, more 'brittle' bass is what is generally considered to be
better?


Not sure what you mean - extending the bottom end will result in the
opposite of brittle.

d

I'll play both the recordings back to back a bit later and see if I can get
a clearer picture, but I don't think I would pick the Paladin's treble from
what I've heard here....??


Do play 'em through the Paladins though - you won't hear the
difference through the horns.

(Bear in mind, the Paladins are my *pick of the bunch* from the long stream
of speakers that have been through here during the last few years and are
definite keepers....)


Quite right.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:48:02 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

The only thing that appeals to me with 'matched pairs' is you usually tend
to get the shockmounts and wind thingies thrown in and all in a nice
little
flight case if you're lucky, from what I have seen...?

Otherwise, I'm not bothered - although the Oktavas are not a pair and we
know where that has led us, don't we...???


Well, they were a mirrored pair. I think you can rest easy with Rode,
though - they don't share the unfortunate reputation of the Oktavas -
also they don't have transformers, which is where I'd put money the
confusion happened.



I haven't been able to bring myself to butcher them yet (well, No. 63). Tbh,
I see myself using them singly most often if the 'mono clart' thing works
out, anyway - and I haven't been able to try that yet either!!

I still like the sound from them very much though....

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Keith G" wrote in message

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On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:16:43 -0000, "Keith G"
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:22:47 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

Also, what do you reckon to this little bugger:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...0656&rd=1&rd=1

Seems to be a convenient package. It looks neat.

Self-noise is actually high enough to be of concern.

For half the price I'd have a pair of Rhode NT1A,
which I indeed already have. Quieter, and probably
smoother.

Hmm, my favourite supplier has them listed:

http://www.nusystems.co.uk/product/R...A.Matched.Pair

Very appealing - noted, bookmarked and *targetted*....

(So much stuff needed, so little money....!! :-(

Dolphin have them at £119 each.

OK - even better yet!!

Forget matched pairs - they are all
plenty well matched.

The only thing that appeals to me with 'matched pairs' is
you usually tend to get the shockmounts and wind thingies
thrown in and all in a nice little flight case if you're
lucky, from what I have seen...?

Here's that sort of treatment for singles, pairs, whatever:

http://www.digitalplayroom.com/rode/nt1.htm

Oh, I forgot about the freebie cables. ;-)

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:42:23 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


Plenty of bass on the Ruarks; in fact for smoothness and generally
nice sound they have it by a mile from the other two. There is a
series of low bass notes at about 35Hz. They are there quite nicely on
the Ruarks, while on the other two they have simply vanished, although
there is something there at 70Hz that seems to have replaced them

For me that is a non-contest. The Ruarks have it by miles.



Gor blimey, guvnah - yer could of knocked me dahn wiv a fevver!! I wuz
*certain* you choose the others!!

(Only kidding, of course!! :-)

But let's get back on track here - it's the *treble* we're interested in,
no-one's claimimg horns can match (or even compete) with speakers like the
Paladins on bass!! What do say about the *treble*...??? (It's 'extremes'
both ends that started this little lot off!!)


If it's treble we're talking about, god yes - get those Ruarks back
in. They are smoother by miles than the horns. I know they will take
some getting used to because you are used to mega brightness, but it
will be worth the effort.


Streuth! We certainly do seem to hear different things with these! Not only
me though - there's Swim to contend with also!!


The bass sounds nice too; I can actually
hear it.


You can sodding *wear it* here....!!



Anyway, so what do I do now - drag the Ruarks back into my pokey little
room
(back to where I was 5 years ago) lose all my clarity and depth and start
*wading* through the bass again...?? (Not to mention how they'll slop
around
hanging off my triodes.....!! ;-)


You never know - we may even civilize you in that department too...


I doubt it....!! ;-)

Nothing's cast in stone and things change - unlike some here, these things
are not mutually exclusive to me. The Ruarks are used every day on the telly
and for movies and I have 3 ss amps and (only) 1 valve amp here in daily use
also....






The recordings are much better, too :-)


Yes, I thought so - easier to control levels with proper pre's than on the
computer only, as in the early days!!

(I need all the encouragement I can get - there's one or two here got
absolutely nothing better to do than hang around with their dicks out,
waiting to give me a good *hosing*, it seems!! ;-)



I won't lose too much sleep - I think you probably give as good as you
get.



Yep, I pay back in the same coin as I get - you and I don't agree on
everything (anything?? :-) but we don't get all ****ty about it...



Incidentally I've just ordered a pair of those NT1-A's for myself -
they look very handy.


Fark....

Dolphin? (Nusystems will always price-match, I gather!!)

Are you getting the shockmounts with them?

Fark...

Don't know why, but I *do* fancy a pair myself - blame Arny!! :-)

I think it's the 'ultra low noise' claim, absence of unnecessary
pads/filters, included shockmounts and the 'Neuman' look to them...??

(I know I don't need multiple pairs of similarish mics, but wtf has that got
to do with anything...?? :-)

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Keith G" wrote in message

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"Keith G" wrote in message


OK, here we go - this is the setup:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...Setup%2001.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...Setup%2002.JPG

and here is the track:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...,%20SE1As).mp3

...and here's the Lowther track again for direct
comparison (if anyone else is interested):

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track10.mp3

Missing - track10 from the original source.



Here you go:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...0In%20Love.mp3

...seein's as how ya arst so nice like....

Clipped to blue blazes. Is that what you played through the speakers?