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Don Pearce November 20th 06 01:26 PM

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:20:55 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:22:47 -0000, "Keith G"
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Also, what do you reckon to this little bugger:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...0656&rd=1&rd=1

Seems to be a convenient package. It looks neat.

Self-noise is actually high enough to be of concern.

For half the price I'd have a pair of Rhode NT1A,
which I indeed already have. Quieter, and probably
smoother.


Hmm, my favourite supplier has them listed:


http://www.nusystems.co.uk/product/R...A.Matched.Pair


Very appealing - noted, bookmarked and *targetted*....


(So much stuff needed, so little money....!! :-(


Dolphin have them at £119 each.


OK - even better yet!!


Forget matched pairs - they are all
plenty well matched.


The only thing that appeals to me with 'matched pairs' is
you usually tend to get the shockmounts and wind thingies
thrown in and all in a nice little flight case if you're
lucky, from what I have seen...?


Here's that sort of treatment for singles, pairs, whatever:

http://www.digitalplayroom.com/rode/nt1.htm

Oh, I forgot about the freebie cables. ;-)


I quite like "This mic is sensitive enough to pick up explosive
consonents (sic)". How sensitive does one need to be to register the
diaphragm slamming into the back plate?

d

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Don Pearce November 20th 06 01:32 PM

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:22:36 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

Fark....

Dolphin? (Nusystems will always price-match, I gather!!)

Are you getting the shockmounts with them?


Yup, shockmounts are included, and the soft bag. I have plenty of old
cases I can put them in, so I'm not fussed about that - or cables, I
them coming out of ears.

d

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Keith G November 20th 06 01:33 PM

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:59:14 -0000, "Keith G"
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"Don Pearce" wrote


Here's my frequency analysis of the Paladin and the other speaker
(Lowther?). It scans the whole file, so it isn't just a snapshot. The
difference is clear - top end as well as bass.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/kspkr/paladin.gif
http://81.174.169.10/odds/kspkr/other.gif




OK, got those - thanks!

Bass - yes, top end - yes maybe in the pix, no in real life I would say.
Unless a harder, more 'brittle' bass is what is generally considered to be
better?


Not sure what you mean - extending the bottom end will result in the
opposite of brittle.




That's an 'oops' - I meant brittle treble! (Is how they seemed to me...??)



d

I'll play both the recordings back to back a bit later and see if I can
get
a clearer picture, but I don't think I would pick the Paladin's treble
from
what I've heard here....??


Do play 'em through the Paladins though - you won't hear the
difference through the horns.

(Bear in mind, the Paladins are my *pick of the bunch* from the long
stream
of speakers that have been through here during the last few years and are
definite keepers....)


Quite right.



:-)

Glad you approve - can I send you some colour swatches through and we'll get
next year's decor plan sorted out while we're on? ;-)

I'm in the poop - I just had a call from the dentist! (Apparently I should
have been in for a checkup at 2 o' clock....!!)




Don Pearce November 20th 06 01:36 PM

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:32:40 GMT, (Don Pearce)
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:22:36 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

Fark....

Dolphin? (Nusystems will always price-match, I gather!!)

Are you getting the shockmounts with them?


Yup, shockmounts are included, and the soft bag. I have plenty of old
cases I can put them in, so I'm not fussed about that - or cables, I
them coming out of ears.

d


My computer is losing whole words - no idea where it's putting them

d

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Keith G November 20th 06 01:42 PM

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

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OK, here we go - this is the setup:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...Setup%2001.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...Setup%2002.JPG

and here is the track:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...,%20SE1As).mp3

...and here's the Lowther track again for direct
comparison (if anyone else is interested):

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track10.mp3

Missing - track10 from the original source.




Here you go:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...0In%20Love.mp3

...seein's as how ya arst so nice like....


Clipped to blue blazes. Is that what you played through the speakers?




Yes and no - that's a straight computer CD to HDD rip via Sound Forge (in
the normal manner, done some time back), what I played (and recorded
yesterday and today) was the *original* CD (in two different Pioneer
DVDPs)....???

Weird - my 'open mic' recordings are better (levelswise) than the computer
rip...???

(Beats the crap outta me...??)







Keith G November 20th 06 02:13 PM

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:32:40 GMT, (Don Pearce)
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:22:36 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

Fark....

Dolphin? (Nusystems will always price-match, I gather!!)

Are you getting the shockmounts with them?


Yup, shockmounts are included, and the soft bag. I have plenty of old
cases I can put them in, so I'm not fussed about that - or cables, I
them coming out of ears.




I also don't need extra cables and pop filters but I never turn down
freebies...!! :-)

I've emailed Arny's mates for a price to the UK (I don't have too many
suitable cases)

http://www.digitalplayroom.com/cgi-b...micsrodent1amp

but expect the shipping will kill it! (The weight of the freebie cables, I
expect! :-)



d


My computer is losing whole words - no idea where it's putting them



Do what Arny does - when you find them, gather them up into a heap until you
have enough to make a whole post and send it off....





Don Pearce November 20th 06 02:19 PM

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:13:20 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:32:40 GMT, (Don Pearce)
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:22:36 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

Fark....

Dolphin? (Nusystems will always price-match, I gather!!)

Are you getting the shockmounts with them?

Yup, shockmounts are included, and the soft bag. I have plenty of old
cases I can put them in, so I'm not fussed about that - or cables, I
them coming out of ears.




I also don't need extra cables and pop filters but I never turn down
freebies...!! :-)

I've emailed Arny's mates for a price to the UK (I don't have too many
suitable cases)

http://www.digitalplayroom.com/cgi-b...micsrodent1amp

but expect the shipping will kill it! (The weight of the freebie cables, I
expect! :-)


Don't forget the dreaded import duty either.



d


My computer is losing whole words - no idea where it's putting them



Do what Arny does - when you find them, gather them up into a heap until you
have enough to make a whole post and send it off....




Now now, that one was unprovoked - that gives him a free shot, you
know.

d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Keith G November 20th 06 02:29 PM

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:13:20 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:32:40 GMT, (Don Pearce)
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:22:36 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

Fark....

Dolphin? (Nusystems will always price-match, I gather!!)

Are you getting the shockmounts with them?

Yup, shockmounts are included, and the soft bag. I have plenty of old
cases I can put them in, so I'm not fussed about that - or cables, I
them coming out of ears.




I also don't need extra cables and pop filters but I never turn down
freebies...!! :-)

I've emailed Arny's mates for a price to the UK (I don't have too many
suitable cases)

http://www.digitalplayroom.com/cgi-b...micsrodent1amp

but expect the shipping will kill it! (The weight of the freebie cables, I
expect! :-)


Don't forget the dreaded import duty either.



Oh, **** - I did forget that....

:-)


Actually, I've got away with it more times than I should admit out loud, but
I suspect the package would be a wee bit too big this time....





d

My computer is losing whole words - no idea where it's putting them



Do what Arny does - when you find them, gather them up into a heap until
you
have enough to make a whole post and send it off....




Now now, that one was unprovoked - that gives him a free shot, you
know.



:-)

Nah, he's *way ahead*......!!





Dave Plowman (News) November 20th 06 02:51 PM

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
If the harmonics from a musical instrument were unimportant then top C
from a piano would sound exactly the same as from a violin. Of course
perhaps they do on your setup...


Didn't take you long, did it...??


Perfectly valid comment given your love of devices which alter the
harmonic content of a signal.

You can't have it both ways, dear boy. ;-)

--
*Funny, I don't remember being absent minded.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Arny Krueger November 20th 06 02:55 PM

What's your view of speaker crossovers?
 
"Don Pearce" wrote in message

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:20:55 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Keith G" wrote in message

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:16:43 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Don Pearce" wrote in message

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:22:47 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

Also, what do you reckon to this little bugger:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...0656&rd=1&rd=1

Seems to be a convenient package. It looks neat.

Self-noise is actually high enough to be of concern.

For half the price I'd have a pair of Rhode NT1A,
which I indeed already have. Quieter, and probably
smoother.


Hmm, my favourite supplier has them listed:


http://www.nusystems.co.uk/product/R...A.Matched.Pair


Very appealing - noted, bookmarked and *targetted*....


(So much stuff needed, so little money....!! :-(


Dolphin have them at £119 each.


OK - even better yet!!


Forget matched pairs - they are all
plenty well matched.


The only thing that appeals to me with 'matched pairs'
is you usually tend to get the shockmounts and wind
thingies thrown in and all in a nice little flight case
if you're lucky, from what I have seen...?


Here's that sort of treatment for singles, pairs,
whatever:

http://www.digitalplayroom.com/rode/nt1.htm

Oh, I forgot about the freebie cables. ;-)


I quite like "This mic is sensitive enough to pick up
explosive consonents (sic)".


Agreed, that is like saying that this truck is fast enough to go 3 mph.

How sensitive does one need
to be to register the diaphragm slamming into the back
plate?


Well, we both know that with its max SPL rating of something like 137 dB,
the diaphragm mostly never does that.

However, its 13.7 dBu maximum undistorted output might just clip some lesser
line inputs! ;-)




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